Mindless Hulk Vs Nova Prime · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by dmills
Surfer gives Chase, Nova turns on the jets, circles back around and gives Norrin a facial.
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He and his team clear room full of villains in a second.
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Omg...

Dmills.

No one is saying that Nova is slow but again, he isn't unhittable. He has speed, I agree but he will get hit... this shouldn't be debatable. That like me saying that since Gladiator has covered a universe in a second and has flown 100 times the speed of light people like Nova or Supes can't touch him when all in all, going by showings (of Gladiator) they can. Your argument is insane.

Like I said before, if mindless Hulk is anywhere close to his onslaught armor crushing, shockwaves that send metas flying "strength"... one solid hit should cripple nova.

If this Hulk grabs Nova, the fight is done. If this Hulk punch Nova, the fight is done. Anything physical towards nova is stopping him. The combine might of the avengers, fantastic four, and the xmen couldn't do JACK to Onslaughts armor... Hulk ripped through that sh** with one solid punch... do you honestly believe that Nova could survive a punch of that magnetude? NO.

And again... Thor was straining to walk through the shockwaves that was emitted from Hulks punching powering along with Wolverine, Quicksilver and othe member flying off from the shockwaves and other top tiers struggling to walk forward.

Nova is getting his head punched off.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Show scans of Hulk hitting someone using that kind of speed. Not a person with superspeed, but actively hitting someone moving at that kind of speed as displayed by Nova. I'm tired of this shit where we just assume that Hulk is going to hit someone because he's Hulk or that if he tags someone with superspeed it means he can effectively tag everyone who possesses superspeed.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Robbie the rookie held down a Strontian. Richard, Nova Prime, the pro beat the Strontian with his versatility. That stargating a mountain on top of Hulk would work because Hulk shouldered and was stuck. Holding it up isn't the same as throwing off. Even if he could eventually get mad enough to through it off, he won't have time to do so when Nova simply increases the mountains mass but 5 fold and crush Hulk.
Nova can also stargate them both into empty space where Hulk is entirely useless, a sitting duck for Nova to bombard with gravitmetric beams.
Or if possible, Nova Prime could increase Hulk's endorphin and calm him down till he reverts to Banner - vulnerable for a K.O.

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Wow...

Mindless Hulk>Calm Hulk. A calm Hulk held that mountain up. What makes you think that mindless Hulk would have a problem with a mountain when he was ripping through Herc and a team of people and Herc alone has almost knocked the earth off course and mindless Hulk was wrecking him. Then we have a weakened Hulk during wwh arc on planet sakaar tossing a mountain like it was dust along with adjusting tectonic plates.

Moutains or gravity isn't stopping him. Didnt Hulk face Graviton and Graviton powers was unable to do JACK against the Hulk?

The only thing Nova is going to do is piss this Hulk off even further which would lead to him getting ripped in half.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Show scans of Hulk hitting someone using that kind of speed. Not a person with superspeed, but actively hitting someone moving at that kind of speed as displayed by Nova. I'm tired of this shit where we just assume that Hulk is going to hit someone because he's Hulk or that if he tags someone with superspeed it means he can effectively tag everyone who possesses superspeed.

What kind of speed first? How fast was Nova going in those scans?

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by carver9
What kind of speed first? How fast was Nova going in those scans?

The reasonable guess for the Surfer instance would be beyond supersonic in excess if they're in space.

The scans below cites it going down in 1.8 seconds.

Hulk makes wide sweeping motions or thunderclaps to tag people going too fast as a rule, and even then, hardly anyone going super fast. Know why? Because if you had one of the top tier heralds fighting Hulk at super speed instead of slugging it out with him or just keeping out of reach and blasting him you'd have a lot of comics in which Hulk gets his shit kicked in.

I mean, honestly, Carver. Everyone knows Hulk fights are portrayed to make the green giant look good or give him an opportunity to fight back; people who know Hulk's history all of a sudden decide to brawl with him instead of fighting him smart? What does that sound like?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The reasonable guess for the Surfer instance would be beyond supersonic in excess if they're in space.
The scans below cites it going down in 1.8 seconds.
Hulk makes wide sweeping motions or thunderclaps to tag people going too fast as a rule, and even then, hardly anyone going super fast. Know why? Because if you had one of the top tier heralds fighting Hulk at super speed instead of slugging it out with him or just keeping out of reach and blasting him you'd have a lot of comics in which Hulk gets his shit kicked in.
I mean, honestly, Carver. Everyone knows Hulk fights are portrayed to make the green giant look good or give him an opportunity to fight back; people who know Hulk's history all of a sudden decide to brawl with him instead of fighting him smart? What does that sound like?

Ooooorrrr, people slug it out with Hulk or other bricks because they are bricks themselves.

Everybody in there grandmoma has transcended light speed... hell, Ironman and Rogue has done this as well on MULTIPLE of occasions but they sure as hell isn't doing it on a planetary, gravitational environment...ESPECIALLY combat at those speeds. Show me a combat feat from Nova. How fast does he "fight" for you to come to the conclussion that Hulk can't tag him.

Achieving light speed through space is childsplay... Despero has this, darkseid has this, Vulcan has this...etc, etc. That doesn't mean that they can fight at these speeds... its ridiculous to think otherwise.

WhiteWitchKing Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
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Wow...
Mindless Hulk>Calm Hulk. A calm Hulk held that mountain up. What makes you think that mindless Hulk would have a problem with a mountain when he was ripping through Herc and a team of people and Herc alone has almost knocked the earth off course and mindless Hulk was wrecking him. Then we have a weakened Hulk during wwh arc on planet sakaar tossing a mountain like it was dust along with adjusting tectonic plates.

Lol, he only wedged out a space of the mountain when it landed and was sweating to Hulk that portion back. He was left helpless. He wasn't the one to free them at all. Now he's going to do it while Nova increases it's mass 5 fold. Heck, Nova has increased somethings mass by a 100 fold before so letsee Hulk deal with that.

And Herc wasn't fighting back.

Moutains or gravity isn't stopping him. Idnt Hulk face Graviton and Graviton powers was unable to do JACK against the Hulk?
The only thing Nova is going to do is piss this Hulk off even further which would lead to him getting ripped in half.

Hulk is going to fight Nova in zero gravity space and win huh? What's he going to do? Extend his stretchy fist and hit Nova? Throw space debris that aren't there?

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by carver9
Ooooorrrr, people slug it out with Hulk or other bricks because they are bricks themselves.
Everybody in there grandmoma has transcended light speed... hell, Ironman and Rogue has done this as well on MULTIPLE of occasions but they sure as hell isn't doing it on a planetary, gravitational environment...ESPECIALLY combat at those speeds. Show me a combat feat from Nova. How fast does he "fight" for you to come to the conclussion that Hulk can't tag him.
Achieving light speed through space is childsplay... Despero has this, darkseid has this, Vulcan has this...etc, etc. That doesn't mean that they can fight at these speeds... its ridiculous to think otherwise.

Or it's PIS, especially when they can damage him just as well if not better outside of melee.

Thing is, Iron Man has actually used his speed in battle. Sentry even commented on it. And as I recall, I asked for a scan first of Hulk tagging someone moving at high end superspeed, not someone who has the speed but not using it (for whatever reason) against Hulk.

I'm pretty sure flying through space, evading lasers and blaster beams while giving some of your own qualifies as super speed fighting.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Or it's PIS, especially when they can damage him just as well if not better outside of melee.
Thing is, Iron Man has actually used his speed in battle. Sentry even commented on it. And as I recall, I asked for a scan first of Hulk tagging someone moving at high end superspeed, not someone who has the speed but not using it (for whatever reason) against Hulk.
I'm pretty sure flying through space, evading lasers and blaster beams while giving some of your own qualifies as super speed fighting.

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So Ironman is unhittable as well.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by carver9
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So Ironman is unhittable as well.

I didn't say that.

I said Iron Man actually uses his speed in battle instead of just for traveling sake. Extremis is a helluva drug.

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by carver9
Omg...
Dmills.
No one is saying that Nova is slow but again, he isn't unhittable. He has speed, I agree but he will get hit... this shouldn't be debatable. That like me saying that since Gladiator has covered a universe in a second and has flown 100 times the speed of light people like Nova or Supes can't touch him when all in all, going by showings (of Gladiator) they can. Your argument is insane.
Like I said before, if mindless Hulk is anywhere close to his onslaught armor crushing, shockwaves that send metas flying "strength"... one solid hit should cripple nova.
If this Hulk grabs Nova, the fight is done. If this Hulk punch Nova, the fight is done. Anything physical towards nova is stopping him. The combine might of the avengers, fantastic four, and the xmen couldn't do JACK to Onslaughts armor... Hulk ripped through that sh** with one solid punch... do you honestly believe that Nova could survive a punch of that magnetude? NO.
And again... Thor was straining to walk through the shockwaves that was emitted from Hulks punching powering along with Wolverine, Quicksilver and othe member flying off from the shockwaves and other top tiers struggling to walk forward.
Nova is getting his head punched off.

We goin' high end? Cool.

Two Dread ships. Both moon sized. One flagship, even larger. Possibly planet sized. Blown to shyte. Blast wave felt 2.3 light years away.

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Dick Rider. No worldmind. No inhibitors. Unfiltered Nova Force. One herald, Blasted clear across a solar system with a casual eye beam.

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Can't survive a Hulk punch?

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Hulk grabs Nova, Nova goes...

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carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I didn't say that.
I said Iron Man actually uses his speed in battle instead of just for traveling sake. Extremis is a helluva drug.

I don't get your point then. Ironman has similar feat to Nova speed wise.

dmills Centurion Prime

Achieving light speed through space is childsplay... Despero has this, darkseid has this, Vulcan has this...etc, etc. That doesn't mean that they can fight at these speeds... its ridiculous to think otherwise.

Carver.

I posted scans of some combat speed feats. Not just the ones you cherry picked either. Scroll back a page.

Edit: That's it for me tonight. Nite all.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by carver9
I don't get your point then. Ironman has similar feat to Nova speed wise.

My point was that Iron Man actually uses speed in combat, not just for flying. He's punked out Spidey in close quarters with sheer speed and Spidey has danced all around Hulk on numerous occasions.

It's moot anyway as we're dealing with Nova who has feats upon feats to argue him beating Hulk.

I mean, seriously, why wouldn't Richie take this fight to space? And when he does, what the hell is Hulk going to do?

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Am I missing something? Did Nova get a downgrade? Didn't he put up an ok fight against Surfer? Did Hulk get an upgrade? Otherwise, I fail to see how Hulk wins this. Sentry doesn't count as a high feat given that he tried to lose.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
My point was that Iron Man actually uses speed in combat, not just for flying. He's punked out Spidey in close quarters with sheer speed and Spidey has danced all around Hulk on numerous occasions.
It's moot anyway as we're dealing with Nova who has feats upon feats to argue him beating Hulk.
I mean, seriously, why wouldn't Richie take this fight to space? And when he does, what the hell is Hulk going to do?

Spiderman has been tagged by Hulk on numerous of occassions... along with Ironman. Hulk has even surprised speedsters with his speed.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman has been tagged by Hulk on numerous of occassions... along with Ironman. Hulk has even surprised speedsters with his speed.

Yeah, and they've moved too fast for him before, too. And of course they're surprised by Hulk's reflexes; his size disarms people with how fast he can be.

That doesn't mean that Hulk is fast enough to tag a superspeed possessing herald who doesn't have to fight Hulk's game if they don't want to. I've still not heard a reason for how Hulk is going to win if Nova just decides to take this into space.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

I can't recall if Nova is lightspeed or not. But he's far faster than either of those two.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman has been tagged by Hulk on numerous of occassions... along with Ironman. Hulk has even surprised speedsters with his speed.

Nova stargates Mindless Hulk in deep space. Then he does this...
Moving at super luminal speeds.. Instantaneously busting Kree Sentries so fast the Phalanx had to compute predetermined teleportation with rapid-reaction positioning just so they have a chance to tag him.

what kind of speed do you think Mindless Hulk has in deep space?

kakuzu A new heart I see!!

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So who dropped a mountain on Hulk again aside from the Beyonder?

He never got a mountain dropped on him, He got a very small portion dropped on him and a few allys. They got like a very small corner and Hulk was struggling with that while Thor was outside, for some odd reason even though he could trade blows enough to destroy planets he couldn't get through the mountain. I think though if he smashed it he'd kill the normal guys under lol so he was trying to get through it slowly. He never got and entire mountain dropped on him thats like a fanboy myth when they only see the cover

As for the fight, I've seen that when you constantly press on Hulk and not hold back you can kill him. Its its Nova with all the corps stuff he'd win. With out I'm iffy if its normal nova he looses