Darkseid team vs Tyrant

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did the Source empower him in countdown ?

Here. The Infinity Man killed Orion in DOTNG. The source was the one who resurrected Orion and empowered him against DS. As an ace up his sleeve as explained in a later issue of DOTNG. Orion and DS were righting several times in some weird time fold warp. ( A way DC tried to fix their crappy editing and huge mess ups between DOTNG and Countdown.)

Originally posted by Comics Queen
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Here. The Infinity Man killed Orion in DOTNG. The source was the one who resurrected Orion and empowered him against DS. As an ace up his sleeve as explained in a later issue of DOTNG. Orion and DS were righting several times in some weird time fold warp. ( A way DC tried to fix their crappy editing and huge mess ups between DOTNG and Countdown.)

Originally posted by Comics Queen
That isn't at all what I said. I said he can multiply anyone's power beyond what Tyrant can handle. Unless you think Tyrant could fight Granny Goodness in her Central battery owning form( Something classic Parallax only has to his credit), Stayne, amped DS from Coundown, etc. Tyrant doesn't have those kinds of feats or power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion wasn't empowered by the Source he was empowered by cutting into Ds's powerup. No direct connection in countdown was ever stated and even in the other story he only had access to Darkseid's power if he was accessing it.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
No. DS power up was destroyed by the Ray at the point. DS powered himself up to over power Orion's power up from the source.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol. so are you claiming DS makes being more powerful than himself? Because DS is NOT stronger than tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just explained the events and since no amp was mentioned you have no proof Orion was amped by the Source.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
It was mentioned in DOTNG. Orion was the Source's Ace in the hole.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he used Orion because he could tap into the same power Ds did he was never amped by the Source only brought back to counter Ds's prep against the source.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Yes, he is. I think we are using different versions of DS. Im using Grant Morrison's True God form while I think you are using his avatar showings. In New Gods, The Being S'ivva was able to rip entire galaxies with just a touch of his fingernail. Orion and Superman, being in that 4th Reality, were powerful enough to defeat such a being. DS in his 4th World Form is far above Tyrant. He also is in possession of the ALE. Not a power up but like magic spell. Like Dr. Strange. Once he knows it, he always knows it. Too many ways for DS to defeat Tyrant. Especially since I do not believe Tyrant to be as powerful as you do. He didn't even beat Thanos as badly as Odin did.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, not really. Tyrant is above skyfathers, even a couple of trans tiers will not be able to bring him down. Thanos didn't even damage him during their fight so I think the empowered characters will have little to no impact.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol you try and claim that shit and then you say void showings aren't good for sentry... when they are as much the same being as what you just described.

What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Orion didn't tap into the same power as DS in Countdown. Yet he was empowered by the Source. The same way the Infinity Man was.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was never ever empowered by the Source. If he was he'd have stomped Ds.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
The Infinity Man was empowered by the Source and he did not Stomp Orion. He did kill him after a huge battle. DS simply amped himself. Cosmic types and Skyfathers do it all of the time.

You haven't provide done example in this case only speculation.

As those who know me on this board know, I think you all dramatically lowball DS. Final Crisis. The crushing of space time, and concentrating it into a black hole that would doom the multiverse? That was Darkseid's own power. The ALE gave him the ability to control what happened after the black hole. Or the nature of the new god's true stature, which Final Crisis proved once and for all.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's "standard" Darkseid even, anyway? I'm unsure of what feats to attribute to him or not to.

Good question, I think people don't actually use his average but his lower showings. Namely Apocalypse Now, the time he was entrapped by Supes in the Source etc Ignoring his other victories or displays against Supes, the displays in JKFW and Genesis where it is revealed he's siphoned power off other gods, defeated the Olympians, defeated other skyfathers, one shotting the JLA, casually depowering metas and top tiers etc. all post crisis.

If we take his average displays what is his actual level? I think he ends up having too many tricks for a guy like DP Tyrant.

People lowballing DS as usual...