Originally posted by Epicurus
That you are an awful troll.
I'm sorry Epicurus, but claiming that taking out all the glass panes in the hall of the Ministry, and comparing it to detonating half the ministry building are 2 very different things. In this case, SM called it right, you did exaggerate the feat, perhaps not purposely, but you did.
I will point out that Voldemort blasting chumks of the pillar Harry was leaning against during the fight with Dumbledore would also count, but that was hardly a destructive feat either.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm sorry Epicurus, but claiming that taking out all the glass panes in the hall of the Ministry, and comparing it to detonating half the ministry building are 2 very different things. In this case, SM called it right, you did exaggerate the feat, perhaps not purposely, but you did.I will point out that Voldemort blasting chumks of the pillar Harry was leaning against during the fight with Dumbledore would also count, but that was hardly a destructive feat either.
Him using the Elder Wand was no different from him using his own wand in that particular instance. Which is essentially further substantiated by his performance against Dumbledore, a highly skilled mage who was the both wielding and controlling the power of the Elder Wand in their fight.
Silent Master is just doing his tired old routine of trolling threads up and down the moment he gets backed into a corner.
Originally posted by Epicurus
It's called rhetorical hyperbole. Not exaggerating a feat. Not to mention that the actual issue being debated here is that Voldemort wasn't in control of the Elder Wand's power in DH2, so him obliterating that magic barrier isn't proof of his utilizing its power. Something which Silent Master claimed on the previous pages of this thread.Him using the Elder Wand was no different from him using his own wand in that particular instance. Which is essentially further substantiated by his performance against Dumbledore, a highly skilled mage who was the both wielding and controlling the power of the Elder Wand in their fight.
Silent Master is just doing his tired old routine of trolling threads up and down the moment he gets backed into a corner.
Lets compare the feats of this OotP battle and the Aladdin battle.
Voldermort blew fire by bringing his hand to his mouth and with a look that looked like he was constipated. Jafar blew fire by giving the impression he was blowing out a candle.
Voldermort shattered the windows and caused visible but not structural damage to the room. Jaffar sent and entire spire to the ends of the earth.
Voldermort can kill instantly if not blocked by another wizard (or sorcerer) Jaffar can control everyone like puppets and turn them into thing or state he desires and still only has a day's experience. His transformations include: Monkey into toy, unravelling a magic carpet and turning himself into a snake who's size would make the basilisk run for mummy.
I honestly think Jafar wins and there isn't much point arguing anymore.
Originally posted by Epicurus
It's called rhetorical hyperbole. Not exaggerating a feat. Not to mention that the actual issue being debated here is that Voldemort wasn't in control of the Elder Wand's power in DH2, so him obliterating that magic barrier isn't proof of his utilizing its power. Something which Silent Master claimed on the previous pages of this thread.Him using the Elder Wand was no different from him using his own wand in that particular instance. Which is essentially further substantiated by his performance against Dumbledore, a highly skilled mage who was the both wielding and controlling the power of the Elder Wand in their fight.
Silent Master is just doing his tired old routine of trolling threads up and down the moment he gets backed into a corner.
Like I said before, the fact that he had to push his power through the wand's resistance makes that feat even more impressive, but the base feat itself is not all that great. It is far too unknown, not enough is explained about the barrier.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Seriously? Like what are you even arguing? Voldermort doesn't have the Elder Wand in this situation. Read the OP.Lets compare the feats of this OotP battle and the Aladdin battle.
Voldermort blew fire by bringing his hand to his mouth and with a look that looked like he was constipated. Jafar blew fire by giving the impression he was blowing out a candle.
Voldermort shattered the windows and caused visible but not structural damage to the room. Jaffar sent and entire spire to the ends of the earth.
Voldermort can kill instantly if not blocked by another wizard (or sorcerer) Jaffar can control everyone like puppets and turn them into thing or state he desires and still only has a day's experience. His transformations include: Monkey into toy, unravelling a magic carpet and turning himself into a snake who's size would make the basilisk run for mummy.
I honestly think Jafar wins and there isn't much point arguing anymore.
Lol, we are relying on facial expressions of 2 sociopathic characters to determine who waas exerting more?
It was half a tower, and not protected by the myriad of spells and enchantments which are usually bound to such structures in the HPverse.
So can Voldemort; via Imperio. Jafar is also not very clever since Aladdin was able to convince him to become a genie, without him realizing the side-effects of permanent slavery if he were turned into such. Lol, him turning into that snake is him essentially giving Vold a lollypop, or did you forget that Voldemort is a Parselmouth?
Nope, it's actually a fairly close fight imo, where arguments for either character can be made. Though I personally give Voldemort a 6/10 win on Jafar, simply due to greater experience at combating actual magical threats instead of bullying a bunch of normal weaklings.
And Harry tricked Voldemort for what? 5 movies? He outwitted Voldemort at pretty much every turn. Voldemort was just ruthless and had a lot of dark wizards at his disposal.
And tossing that tower still meant Jafar casually hurled hundreds of tons. Enchantments or whatever don't take away from that fact that he literally chucked a building with his brain across the planet. Also we saw that buildings weren't that well protected. Hogwarts had protection spells, but the actual building got damaged pretty good in that final fight. The Weasley house got burned to the ground, etc...
And Voldemort's parseltongue has no evidence of working on a human intelligence in the form of a snake.
You've giving him too much credit.
Originally posted by KingD19
And Harry tricked Voldemort for what? 5 movies? He outwitted Voldemort at pretty much every turn. Voldemort was just ruthless and had a lot of dark wizards at his disposal.And tossing that tower still meant Jafar casually hurled hundreds of tons. Enchantments or whatever don't take away from that fact that he literally chucked a building with his brain across the planet. Also we saw that buildings weren't that well protected. Hogwarts had protection spells, but the actual building got damaged pretty good in that final fight. The Weasley house got burned to the ground, etc...
And Voldemort's parseltongue has no evidence of working on a human intelligence in the form of a snake.
You've giving him too much credit.
And a handful of Death Eaters collapsed the Millennium Bridge. If you don't know what it looks like, then here is a picture for reference:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Mill.bridge.from.tate.modern.arp.jpg
And we all know how DEs compare to Voldemort powerwise.
Considering that the Basilisk showcased human level intelligence when Harry heard it in the pipes...yes it does. Not to mention that the Boa Constrictor which Harry talked to also seemed to indicate human-level intelligence. Heck, even the snake-gate in which the Chamber of Secrets was locked could be controlled by Parseltongue.
Credit's given where credit's due. Voldemort has the firepower and experience to take the fight to Jafar, who's only ever fought non-magical weaklings. The sort of arguments being applied here are very similar to the crap which Dr Manhattan fanboys pull off when they claim he can beat people like the Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Being the OP, is it too late to grant Vold the Elder Wand?
Though I don't see the point since Voldemort was never in control of its power. I doubt that he even needs the EW in this thread tbh.
Just because Voldermort can talk to snakes, doesn't mean he can control them. Plus Jaffar could turn in to anything he likes (minus genie).
The genie trick was good. Jaffar was power hungry and wanted to be No. 1. Which, if memory serves is Voldermort's goal a lot of the time. Any villain would fall into the same trap if they had a wish. Jaffar just didn't know about the slavery.
Jaffar turns Voldermort into a Cabbage Patch Doll.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Just because Voldermort can talk to snakes, doesn't mean he can control them. Plus Jaffar could turn in to anything he likes (minus genie).The genie trick was good. Jaffar was power hungry and wanted to be No. 1. Which, if memory serves is Voldermort's goal a lot of the time. Any villain would fall into the same trap if they had a wish. Jaffar just didn't know about the slavery.
Jaffar turns Voldermort into a Cabbage Patch Doll.
He didn't know about the slavery of a genie despite having a first-hand example of said limitation with the Genie? Contradiction much?
Voldy turns himself back. And then AKs Jafar.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Him being able to control the basilisk disproves that.He didn't know about the slavery of a genie despite having a first-hand example of said limitation with the Genie? Contradiction much?
Voldy turns himself back. And then AKs Jafar.
Him being able to control the Basilisk was due to that particular one only being able to be controlled by Salazar Slytherin's heir, which was Voldemort. Harry was a parseltongue and couldn't control it. So the only 2 snakes he controlled was one he was destined to control, and one who was his pet.
As for turning himself back, how?
Originally posted by KingD19
Him being able to control the Basilisk was due to that particular one only being able to be controlled by Salazar Slytherin's heir, which was Voldemort. Harry was a parseltongue and couldn't control it. So the only 2 snakes he controlled was one he was destined to control, and one who was his pet.As for turning himself back, how?
By transfiguring himself back. Wizards can do that to themselves, as seen with Krum turning himself into a manshark in GoF.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Ginny was also able to control it when she was being possessed by him.By transfiguring himself back. Wizards can do that to themselves, as seen with Krum turning himself into a manshark in GoF.
She was possessed by his essence, which gave her the ability to control it as Slytherin's heir was inside her in a sense. It was how she could speak parseltongue in the first place. Also since his book was a horcrux, that leads further evidence to the portion of his soul/essence in the journal controlling her and letting him use his powers through her.
And Krum used a spell on himself, and turned himself back. If Voldemort is turned into a head of lettuce, how will he possibly turn back? That's a wholly different thing.
Originally posted by KingD19
She was possessed by his essence, which gave her the ability to control it as Slytherin's heir was inside her in a sense. It was how she could speak parseltongue in the first place. Also since his book was a horcrux, that leads further evidence to the portion of his soul/essence in the journal controlling her and letting him use his powers through her.And Krum used a spell on himself, and turned himself back. If Voldemort is turned into a head of lettuce, how will he possibly turn back? That's a wholly different thing.
You do realize that Voldemort too will be turned via a spell, right? Or has super-sorcerer Jafar now been transitioned to Genie-Jafar?
