Jafar vs Voldemort

Viktor turned himself with a spell and could still turn himself back. If Voldemort is turned into a vegetable, how do you expect him to turn himself back? Please enlighten me.

And Harry wasn't possessed by a Horcrux, he was a Horcrux, but he was unique because Lily's love for him twisted the spell. Also he was never possessed by Voldemort. Ginny was directly being possessed by him at the time.

By undoing it, since it is essentially transfiguration on paper. We already know that spells and potions in the HPverse can undo human metamorphosis like the mandrake's juice and Lupin/Sirius forcefully turning Wormtail back into a man.

That's a semantic-based difference only. Fact is, they both had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside them, which gave them both the unique gift of parseltongue.

It's not semantics. Ginny got possessed and taken over directly by Voldemort. Harry was simply a Horcrux by was not possessed and was not being guided directly.

And all these instances you're using are outside forces on a person. Not a person changing back after getting changed by an outside force. If he's a head of lettuce there's a chance he won't even be sentient. Even if he was he's a vegetable.

Yes it is. Nagini was also a regular viper being controlled by the fragment of soul latched inside her. They were all living beings that were hosting a portion of Voldemort's soul, portion which was created via murder.

Wormtail retained his intelligence as a rat. What proof do you have that such a tactic will even work on Voldemort who could easily shield himself from an attack like that?

Fake Moody transformed Draco into an animal and Draco wasn't able to change back.

^Comparing a noob teenage wizard like Draco to someone like Voldemort is a fail troll tactic even for you, Troll.

He's the one wizard that was transformed into something by another magic user during the movies...meaning he's the only example we have in order to form an opinion.

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Is he wrong? He's not.

By all means, name another example of a wizard being turned into an object/animal against their will in the HP movies.

Originally posted by KingD19
Is he wrong? He's not.

Awful.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, name another example of a wizard being turned into an object/animal against their will in the HP movies.

Fecal-brained Silent Master FTW!

IOW, you can't name a single example where a wizard was able to change back after being transformed against their will.

Originally posted by Epicurus
So you subscribe to this silly notion of comparing Draco to Voldemort? Going by that ridiculous logic, Voldemort can't even defend himself from a simple spell since Draco couldn't either.

Awful.

How's about your brain being turned into fecal matter(which would be its real state), and then you being unable to recover from said transmutation?

Fecal-brained Silent Master FTW!

Epicurus... What's with you dude? They did ask a perfectly valid question, Wether or not Draco and Voldemort are comparable in terms of power and defence, that's not the issue, the issue is wether or not the spell can be undone by the victim while transmutated.

Sure, Voldemort would likely smack the spell away, as is the common defense against spells in Potterverse, but that's not the issue either, the question was, and remains, can Voldemort break the spell while under it's effect? The evidence suggests "no" because nobody has proven capable of doing so. So, we cannot give Voldemort the benefit of the doubt just because he is more powerful than Draco.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Epicurus... What's with you dude? They did ask a perfectly valid question, Wether or not Draco and Voldemort are comparable in terms of power and defence, that's not the issue, the issue is wether or not the spell can be undone by the victim while transmutated.

Sure, Voldemort would likely smack the spell away, as is the common defense against spells in Potterverse, but that's not the issue either, the question was, and remains, can Voldemort break the spell while under it's effect? The evidence suggests "no" because nobody has proven capable of doing so. So, we cannot give Voldemort the benefit of the doubt just because he is more powerful than Draco.

But since we want actual examples, how's about Voldemort(and the Death Eaters and Order members in general) turning himself into smoke during apparition and then turning back? Is that good enough for you?

That effect was only added for the movie, as nowhere is there anything on half-apparating(flying), but even then that simply seems to be a side-effect of them using that form of transportation. Even then they still have their wands and are in a human form.

Originally posted by KingD19
That effect was only added for the movie, as nowhere is there anything on half-apparating(flying), but even then that simply seems to be a side-effect of them using that form of transportation. Even then they still have their wands and are in a human form.

Exactly, as we can clearly see Potter and Tommy boy struggling with each other while in mid-transport.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Considering that Draco is nowhere near Voldemort powerwise, and the fact that wizards like Voldemort can perform both non-verbal and wandless magic, it is completely feasible to say that they could easily undo their transformation if ever they were successfully turned. The likelihood of which is in itself is slim seeing the defensive capabilities of these wizards and their reflexes in battle.

But since we want actual examples, how's about Voldemort(and the Death Eaters and Order members in general) turning himself into smoke during apparition and then turning back? Is that good enough for you?

They aren't talking about self transformations here. Plenty of characters can undo their own transformations: Sirius, Peter Pettigrew, Dolores Umbridge, Minerva Mcgonnagil.... The list goes on and on....

That's very different from forced transformation from the spell of another being. Not to mention the apparition spell des not actually transform them into smoke, but rather shrouds them in it, as demonstrated by the physical fight in mid air between Tom and Harry in DH2.

There was also the fact that the Millenium Bridge was bending and swaying due to them flying by, and at least one Death Eater was shot while in flight and crashed into a building.

Lol. So if Voldemort turns into a head of lettuce, he can undo the transformation by what? Speaking the proper words? With what orifice?

What a red herring. If he's turned into a head of lettuce, that's a KO. Jafar could potentially lock him in a box, chuck him in the ocean, and go home to his harem. It's not a controlled transformation with prep beforehand; he's been undone by magic superior to his own; the most powerful wizard in the world and someone with a reality warping ability far beyond anything he can muster.

This thread was concluded a long time ago.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Lol. So if Voldemort turns into a head of lettuce, he can undo the transformation by what? Speaking the proper words? With what orifice?

What a red herring. If he's turned into a head of lettuce, that's a KO. Jafar could potentially lock him in a box, chuck him in the ocean, and go home to his harem. It's not a controlled transformation with prep beforehand; he's been undone by magic superior to his own; the most powerful wizard in the world and someone with a reality warping ability far beyond anything he can muster.

This thread was concluded a long time ago.

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