The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

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Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
like he uses speed when he fights and he always tries to move faster than his opponent

unlike say quicksilver, who while he can be extremely fast, still gets tagged

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has been tagged

my point is he doesn't get tagged from CIS...which is how quicksilver usually gets tagged by slower foes, through stupidity

gorgon's skills also make his speed seem even more formidable

Originally posted by Starscream M
he was toying with logan iirc...kinda underestimating logan, so I don't think he really thought he needed to dodge much

Sigh

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
like he uses speed when he fights and he always tries to move faster than his opponent

unlike say quicksilver, who while he can be extremely fast, still gets tagged

Do you actually read comics with QS in them?

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you actually read comics with QS in them?
yes

I remember cyke tagging him with a blast and also thor getting him with a ground pound...with his speed neither really should've happened

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Takes a full swing from Harokin’s axe to the face, and is completely unharmed.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...desUseless6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...desUseless7.jpg

There's a blunt end to the back of the axe and it's being swung at Thor with the flat of the blade facing him in the panel before the attack. During the attack we're treated to special FX suggesting any number of things could have taken place, there is no clear indication that Thor took the bladed edge to his face.... Though even if he did....
This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The blades of various Asgardians shatter in a battle against Thor.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...atsAsgard20.jpg

- Is an "at best" scenario for people in support of Thor, there's no indication that those blades are being shattered upon Thor's skin. Every piece of weapon that is being wrecked is also within range of Mjolnir. This scene is likely an homage to classic renditions of Thor's battles depicted where this is also happening......Though even if they are breaking on Thor's skin....
These are not weapons with the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Magically enchanted Wolves cannot penetrate Thor’s skin.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...agicWolves2.jpg

Really? I need to argue about why wolves fangs are not on the same level as Wolverine's claws? Even enchanted ones.... 😐

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A maddened Ulik’s cannot penetrate Thor’s skin.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...narokThor26.jpg

Yeah, he also couldn't penetrate Cap's glove, do I need to make an argument for Wolverine's ability to cut Captain America now?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Volstagg, the lion of Asgard, swings an axe, and it simply breaks against Thor’s chest.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...narokThor34.jpg

FINALLY a scan that provides proof of what you're attempting to argue here.... Except.... even thouigh it did....
This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor takes a full swing from the almighty Wolverine and his claws across the face. He has only paper cuts to show for it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...eCutBarely1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...eCutBarely2.jpg

Which kind of brings us full circle to the fact that Wolverine can cut Thor even with blows that don't land flush. The first two depictions where we see Thor's face as Sabretooth, they certainly don't look like paper cuts, and of course if the argument is that Thor withstood a "full swing" from Wolverine's claws I suppose it's Wolverine's stopping power forcing Thor's head to turn and not him trying to roll with the blow?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Withstands the claws of Karnivor.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...tsKarnivor2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...tsKarnivor3.jpg
Note: Karnivor possesses enough strength and claws sharp enough to reduce the armor of the High Evolutionary himself to shreds.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...tsKarnivor1.jpg

Not sure what this is exactly supposed to prove... Man-beast is doing damage with every chance he gets (on an even farther tangent he's making a big deal about surviving a battle with Hulk which Wolverine does every weekend, on top of which he's been steamrolled by Logan using Evolutionary's armor which looked a hell of a lot worse after 2 shots from Logan than it did after Karnivor's attack).... Plus...

his claws are not a weapon that have the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Catches the blade of a significantly amped Mogul in mid swing and is completely unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ulUnharmed1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ulUnharmed2.jpg

Another feat that actually showcases what you want it to... Though I question if Thor is "completely" unharmed seeing how they go to the effort of making mention how Thor must have been harmed.....
All the same... This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Shrugs off a blow from Tyr’s spike laced mace to his chest.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...DefeatsTyr2.jpg

Pretty much inconsequential as it's not even close to the same type of weapon as a sword/blade etc.... Beyond that... This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ares strikes Thor repeatedly with his spike laced mace and Thor is for the most part unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...esandPluto1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...esandPluto2.jpg

Except that he IS harmed... and once again.. This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He then takes a slash from Pluto's axe without any visible damage.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...esandPluto7.jpg

Thor may or may not have been hit in that panel, there's certainly no indication that he was. No point of impact, no FX, no grunt, nothing.
If Pluto DID hit him it would be another case of... This is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Withstands the attacks of Hrinmeer and his magically enchanted Flame sword unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...sTheFlame16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...sTheFlame17.jpg

Except that he is damaged allowing for the poision to take effect.
Of course this doesn't bode well for Thor since this is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He does so again.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...sTheFlame19.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...sTheFlame20.jpg

I don't see being cut there, I see him dodging attempts to cut him but no actual impact... though of course if there was it would fall under the same scrutiny as the first set of scans.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Withstands a slash from the God Killer Super Skrull and her Stormbreaker Axe across the chest without a scratch.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...GodSkrull12.jpg

Are you sure it was without a scratch? Once again we see pain inflicted on Thor as a result of the attack... all the same... this is not a weapon that has the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor withstands Perrikus’ scythe unharmed, and his flesh piercing darts. Apparently even Odin succumbed to them.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...vsPerrikus3.jpg
Note: To make this even more impressive, Perrikus was even able to slash Mjolnir in half -as ridiculous as it sounds- with his scythe.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...vsPerrikus4.jpg

Withstands attacks from his scythe unharmed once again, and this Perrikus is even stronger than before.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...tsPerrikus4.jpg


The first set of scans once again shows Thor being damaged so.... I'm not sure why I need to argue with or discredit that one, it doesn't need to be.
The second time they fight Thor appears to be taking damage without even contact of the blade. So once again, irrelivent.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bloodaxe pounds away with his axe continuously on a depowered Masterson Thor’s face, and although his receives a bruise from the blunt force damage, he is otherwise unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...vsBloodaxe8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...vsBloodaxe9.jpg

Another instance where the contact we see... we can't really.... see.
The axe disappears as soon as Bloodaxe jumps on Thor, and when he starts raining punches it's with his barefist. I see no indication that Thor took a direct hit from blade to face without injury in those panels and frankly have always thought this to be another instance of uncharacteristic plot induced CIS on Bloodaxe's part.

jinzin Senior Member
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Withstands an onslaught of attacks from the Disir.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...Thor/Disir1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...Thor/Disir2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...Thor/Disir3.jpg
Note: The Disir are extremely powerful. One of their swords was capable of slicing through Hela easily.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...Thor/Disir4.jpg

This maybe the single most credible piece of evidence that you have from this post but the sad fact of the matter is... These are not weapons that have the same credentials as having the same cutting and piercing effeciency, proficiency, or durability of Wolverine's claws.

And at the end of the day that's why my first response to this mess of a post was what it was.... None of those examples are comparible to Wolverine and the only example that uses Wolverine, Thor gets his face cut open.

The bottem line is that Wolverine fans have been treated to this same type of constructed argument for almost EVERY. SINGLE. NOTABLE. BRICK. who has fans.

We were told that Wolverine couldn't cut the Thing, and then he did it, and stabbed him, and easily.
We were told that Wolverine couldn't cut Namor, and then he made a habbit out of it.
They told us Wolverine couldn't cut Wonderman, and Wolverine opened his shoulder up.
They said Wolverine couldn't cut Hulk, Wolverine almost killed him.
People said he couldn't cut Thanos, comics had him do it twice.

How many times does this same argument have to play out before it becomes the standard to prove someone's more durable than what Wolverine CAN cut, than lumping Wolverine into the same categories as random blades, bullets, and claws that have failed to have anywhere near the same type of career as his claws have?
It's like someone trying to argue that Wolverine couldn't cut Grey Hulk because he turned bullets, chainsaws, and rockets/lazers in the past... and yes... we've seen that argument too.

What we've seen however that's more important? We've seen Wolverine cut up Count Nefaria, we've seen Wolverine drop Herc, We've seen Herc scared of his claws, we've seen his claws turn Crusader's sword to the point sparks were flying, we've seen two other alternate reality examples of Wolverine's claws doing damage to Thor, one by a stab wound, one by a real "full on" swing, we've seen his claws doing damage to Thor IN CANON from slashes enough to make Thor reconsider h2h tactics and op for an alternative, we've seen Thor nursing the still bleeding wound caused by one slash to his ribs after the fight was over...
That's what we've seen. I shouldn't have to argue why a random mace, Asgardian axe, or teeth are not in the same ball park as Wolverine's claws and unless you have some on panel, third person voice of god narrative stating that Thor's turning a blade that can "cut through anything" then there really isn't something that needs to be discussed here involving any example you've brought me so far.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes

I remember cyke tagging him with a blast and also thor getting him with a ground pound...with his speed neither really should've happened

Let me guess, you don't recall how either of those happened?

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Cyclops was lucky against Quicksilver, and had the advantage of fighting him in an enclosed space.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Let me guess, you don't recall how either of those happened?
quicksilver's cocky and brash personality played a role in both of those incidents iirc

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by BigSid
In an attempt to get the thread back on track, how fast would people say Gorgon actually is?

Is he on a par with say Speed Demon or is he Quicksilver speed, Northstar?

Where would people rank him?

He's not at that level. I would say his sheer speed is somewhere in the Spiderman ballpark or a bit better. His processing speed though is on the level of Hermes or better and his fighting skill coupled with his telepathy give him certain advantages true speedsters don't have, which is in part how he was able to counter Yoyo when she tried to blitz him.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
quicksilver's cocky and brash personality played a role in both of those incidents iirc
So tell me, what specific events lead to QS being hit in those occasions.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
So tell me, what specific events lead to QS being hit in those occasions.
honestly, I don't remember there being any extenuating circumstances out of the norm

Mindset Senior Member

Shut up, Bruce.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by Starscream M
quicksilver's cocky and brash personality played a role in both of those incidents iirc

Just like Gorgon, see below

Originally posted by Starscream M
he was toying with logan iirc...kinda underestimating logan, so I don't think he really thought he needed to dodge much

And seeing as according to you, Gorgon doesn't get hit because of CIS.....that means QS wasn't hit because of CIS.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like Gorgon, see below

And seeing as according to you, Gorgon doesn't get hit because of CIS.....that means QS wasn't hit because of CIS.

so what's your point? I never said gorgon was faster than QS

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by Starscream M
so what's your point? I never said gorgon was faster than QS

You said

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has been tagged

my point is he doesn't get tagged from CIS...which is how quicksilver usually gets tagged by slower foes, through stupidity

gorgon's skills also make his speed seem even more formidable

Then you said

Originally posted by Starscream M
he was toying with logan iirc...kinda underestimating logan, so I don't think he really thought he needed to dodge much

And your eaxmple of CIS for Quicksilver is

Originally posted by Starscream M
quicksilver's cocky and brash personality played a role in both of those incidents iirc

So tell me, how is it CIS for Quicksilver and not Gorgon?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

i don't want to add more fuel to this (maybe i do actually), but thor's cis may be the main issue here

him fighting wolverine will be a watered down thor no matter what, cause that's how thor addresses opponents: how much do i have to water myself down before i get pissed of at myself and almost kill this guy.sometimes thor gets egg on his face when he does this, but we all know he can shatter their atoms if he really wanted to

thor that fought the likes of perikkus, mangog, etc ain't the same thor that was playing around with wolverine, cause that was the "hanging out with cap too long/the thor odin's banishment created" thor, and HE can look stupid against lesser opponents. the real thor that goes h.a.m. on space gods would never be written to fight wolverine types.

imo, no matter what, thor will get mad at these guys eventually and it's game over

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i don't want to add more fuel to this (maybe i do actually), but thor's cis may be the main issue here

him fighting wolverine will be a watered down thor no matter what, cause that's how thor addresses opponents: how much do i have to water myself down before i get pissed of at myself and almost kill this guy.sometimes thor gets egg on his face when he does this, but we all know he can shatter their atoms if he really wanted to

thor as he fought the perikkus, mangog, etc ain't the same thor that was playing around with wolverine, but that was the "hanging out with cap too long/the thor odin's banishment created" thor, and HE can look stupid against lesser opponents.

imo, no matter what, thor will get mad at these guys eventually and it's game over

but logan has held his own against a POed hulk...so why would thor do any better?

Silent Master Senior Member

So has Cap, just like Batman has lasted against White Martians or other high level metas.

It's called PIS and/or CIS.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
So has Cap, just like Batman has lasted against White Martains or other high level metas.

It's called PIS and/or CIS.

logan's done it on more than one or two occasions. also logan, unlike batman and capt, has unique advantages that make his holding his own less PIS (ie insane hf, adamantium skeleton, claws, etc)

Silent Master Senior Member

Cap, Batman, Spider-man etc have also done similar things more than once.

My point stands.