Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's cool and all, but...We don't have anything to believe that Gorgan can tank Thor punching him with his bare fist, let alone with Mjolnir.
yes, but from the available evidence, it seems that strong blows don't OHKO Gorgon...
short of them writing a "Gorgon vs Thor" comic...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Going for some more strawmanning?I have. He's been knocked out by less than what Thor's top tier strength + Mjolnir can dish out. One shot or not. That's not lowballing, either. That's overall character history.
It's not straw manning when it is an accurate summation of your position. If you don't want me to mock your stance, come up with something that isn't so embarrassing.
Wolverine eats class 100 blows for breakfast. Thor couldn't one-shot Wolverine if his life depended on it, and if he did, it would PIS. Seriously, trying reading some Wolverine appearances that weren't written by Danial Way.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not straw manning when it is an accurate summation of your position. If you don't want me to mock your stance, come up with something that isn't so embarrassing.Wolverine eats class 100 blows for breakfast. Thor couldn't one-shot Wolverine if his life depended on it, and if he did, it would PIS. Seriously, trying reading some Wolverine appearances that weren't written by Danial Way.
What's embarrassing is this rampant and willfull ignorance of Thor to support flimsy arguments for Wolverine, and by extension, two of his foes.
So it's PIS if Thor knocks out Wolverine and we should ignore a writer we don't like of Wolverine's? I guess I'll pick and choose which authors to ignore who handled Thor. 👆
Originally posted by Existere
Sounds like a strawman to follow a strawman.I keep coming into this thread hoping to see argument revolve around Gorgon and Omega Red and I feel like I haven't seen their names mentioned once.
Gorgon and Red have limited appearances outside of fighting Wolverine, which means Wolverine vs Thor is the most relevant evidence we have to determine how the two would compete... but no one can agree on an interpretation of that fight.
Originally posted by inimalist
yes, but from the available evidence, it seems that strong blows don't OHKO Gorgon...short of them writing a "Gorgon vs Thor" comic...
Strong blows are one things. Strong blows from people in Thor's class let alone strong blows coupled with one of the most powerful and damaging melee weapons in comics is quite another.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's embarrassing is this rampant and willfull ignorance of Thor to support flimsy arguments for Wolverine, and by extension, two of his foes.So it's PIS if Thor knocks out Wolverine and we should ignore a writer we don't like of Wolverine's? I guess I'll pick and choose which authors to ignore who handled Thor. 👆
I'm not ignoring anything Thor has done, but unlike you I am also acknowledging what Wolverine has done. Thor doesn't need to be written down so he doesn't one shot Wolverine, Wolverine just has to be written the way he is always written... which you apparently have a problem with.
Thor hit Wolverine twice, and Wolverine was fine. That isn't inconstant to Thor's average depiction, what it is, is consistent with Wolverine's.
Originally posted by Silent Master
How do you suckerpunch a telepath that has "superspeed" and is looking at you?
read the scans? growing 4-5 times your size unexpectedly?
I don't remember suggesting Gorgon was precog...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Strong blows are one things. Strong blows from people in Thor's class let alone strong blows coupled with one of the most powerful and damaging melee weapons in comics is quite another.
and that is speculation you are free to make
I'd rather go with what the scans show... in this case, meaning that Thor probably isn't going OHKO Gorgon until we see someoen OHKO Gorgon
to say he has an upper durability limit when one has never been shown sort of doesn't sit right to me /shrug.
I'm not saying Thor couldn't, rather than the available evidence doesn't indicate that he could
Originally posted by inimalist
read the scans? growing 4-5 times your size unexpectedly?I don't remember suggesting Gorgon was precog...
So, A guy with zero speed feats was able to transform and then attack Gorgon before he could react....nice.
Thor now owns 10/10.
Originally posted by inimalist
I'd rather go with what the scans show... in this case, meaning that Thor probably isn't going OHKO Gorgon until we see someoen OHKO Gorgonto say he has an upper durability limit when one has never been shown sort of doesn't sit right to me /shrug.
I'm not saying Thor couldn't, rather than the available evidence doesn't indicate that he could
The available evidence doesn't indicate that Gorgon can tank cl 100 hits.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, A guy with zero speed feats was able to transform and then attack Gorgon before he could react....nice.Thor now owns 10/10.
lol, ok, you are free to interpret those scans in that way, sure
Originally posted by Silent Master
The available evidence doesn't indicate that Gorgon can tank cl 100 hits.
... is it me who is being unclear about the arguments I'm making?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not ignoring anything Thor has done, but unlike you I am also acknowledging what Wolverine has done. Thor doesn't need to be written down so he doesn't one shot Wolverine, Wolverine just has to be written the way he is always written... which you apparently have a problem with.Thor hit Wolverine twice, and Wolverine was fine. That isn't inconstant to Thor's average depiction, what it is, is consistent with Wolverine's.
Only...yeah, you really are. You ignore whatever showings you deem don't matter as a rule while trying to act like Wolverine vs. Thor was the be-all end-all of any encounter with Thor versus Wolverine, let alone related characters. In the same breath, you basically disregard all showings of Wolverine which don't support your own stance, going as far as to ignore all depiction of Logan under a specific writer. What happens if I ignore Frank Tieri? Basically craps all over your entire stance. I disagree with how Thor was portrayed in it, which seems to be the perquisite for ignoring a writer's work.
So yeah, you're ignoring a lot of what Thor has done as well as anything which shows Wolverine being anything less than what you personally think he should be at.
You've ignored showings of Thor's speed, reflexes, durability, combat prowess, and now the damage he can bring to bear against Wolverine (and OR and Gorgon). That's consistent with your posting in this thread, for one.
Originally posted by inimalistSounds like a no limits fallacy. We haven't seen anybody remotely approaching Thor's strength class (nor equipped with anything remotely close in striking power to Mjolnir) even fight Gorgon, so there's no basis to assume that he'd shrug off such blows.
and that is speculation you are free to makeI'd rather go with what the scans show... in this case, meaning that Thor probably isn't going OHKO Gorgon until we see someoen OHKO Gorgon
Originally posted by inimalist
and that is speculation you are free to makeI'd rather go with what the scans show... in this case, meaning that Thor probably isn't going OHKO Gorgon until we see someoen OHKO Gorgon
to say he has an upper durability limit when one has never been shown sort of doesn't sit right to me /shrug.
I'm not saying Thor couldn't, rather than the available evidence doesn't indicate that he could
That would make more sense to me if he was shown to be among the strongest and hardest hitters in Marvel, which he's not. I mean, that is a huge leap of faith on part of Gorgon. Considering who Thor has one shot or laid out in a couple of strikes, I think it would be really bizarre to believe that Gorgon could tank it when he's not shown to endure the same level of damage that Thor could endure without the hammer, much less with it.
But, yeah, I do understand where you're coming from. I just don't agree with it.
