Originally posted by Existere
Sounds like a no limits fallacy. We haven't seen anybody remotely approaching Thor's strength class (nor equipped with anything remotely close in striking power to Mjolnir) even fight Gorgon, so there's no basis to assume that he'd shrug off such blows.
ok, ya, it must have been me being unclear
I'm not saying he could. However, in the absense of any evidence (save the stonewall scans) I don't think we should just assume Gorgon goes down.
my point is we can't say either way, so the claim that one or two good blows from Thor would end the fight is entirely unsubstantiated. There is no jump from there to "He can tank Thor's blows", the point rests on its own. Appealing to Thor's strength to end the fight is largely moot, at least if its being used to say "Thor wins instantly because he is so strong"
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only...yeah, you really are. You ignore whatever showings you deem don't matter as a rule while trying to act like Wolverine vs. Thor was the be-all end-all of any encounter with Thor versus Wolverine, let alone related characters. In the same breath, you basically disregard all showings of Wolverine which don't support your own stance, going as far as to ignore all depiction of Logan under a specific writer. What happens if I ignore Frank Tieri? Basically craps all over your entire stance. I disagree with how Thor was portrayed in it, which seems to be the perquisite for ignoring a writer's work.So yeah, you're ignoring a lot of what Thor has done as well as anything which shows Wolverine being anything less than what you personally think he should be at.
You've ignored showings of Thor's speed, reflexes, durability, combat prowess, and now the damage he can bring to bear against Wolverine (and OR and Gorgon). That's consistent with your posting in this thread, for one.
Maybe you could tell me which feats of Thor's I'm ignoring? None? That's right. It don't need to ignore Thor's feats, because Wolverine feats are enough for him to tank Thor's best blows. Wolverine's been eating Hulk's best shots for years, pretending that Thor is any different is just another hopeless delusion brought to you by the people who thought Thor has "dozens" of FTL combat speed feats.
Except there is nothing out of character about Frank Tierri's Thor. He was unable to ko Wolverine, which has your balls in a vice... but that is business as usually for Wolverine. Origins on the other hand was vastly inconstant with the rest of Wolverine's THOUSANDS of appearances.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That would make more sense to me if he was shown to be among the strongest and hardest hitters in Marvel, which he's not. I mean, that is a huge leap of faith on part of Gorgon. Considering who Thor has one shot or laid out in a couple of strikes, I think it would be really bizarre to believe that Gorgon could tank it when he's not shown to endure the same level of damage that Thor could endure without the hammer, much less with it.
yes, I think it is reasonable to think Thor could overpower Gorgon. I don't think it is the decisive matter in this fight.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But, yeah, I do understand where you're coming from. I just don't agree with it.
fair enough, I do get what you are saying, and if this were simply thread about "can Thor KO Gorgon" I'd likely agree with you
however, I do think Gorgon has superior fighting skills and reflexes in that regard, and I'm not convinced Thor is going to be able to overcome that through brute force fast enough. Just my take though
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Took a ground ground pound and kept coming. Then he just keep fighting him again. And there's some fight misssing, I'm pretty sure Gorgon could keep up with a high class brick.
it cuts away after those pages. Gorgon is seen fighting him in the background in another page, and iirc is hit once more before Hydra forces him to retreat (Gorgon is so enthused to keep fighting that he tries to run away from the teleport).
I don't see any evidence to suggest that Gorgon couldn't hang with a brick
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Maybe you could tell me which feats of Thor's I'm ignoring? None? That's right. It don't need to ignore Thor's feats, because Wolverine feats are enough for him to tank Thor's best blows. Wolverine's been eating Hulk's best shots for years, pretending that Thor is any different is just another hopeless delusion brought to you by the people who thought Thor has "dozens" of FTL combat speed feats.Except there is nothing out of character about Frank Tierri's Thor. He was unable to ko Wolverine, which has your balls in a vice... but that is business as usually for Wolverine. Origins on the other hand was vastly inconstant with the rest of Wolverine's THOUSANDS of appearances.
Peruse the majority of this thread. Or the previous butthurt fueled Logan vs. Thor threads that have since been closed due to said butthurt. Considering Thor's physical strength is on par with Hulk's to begin with and his strength is further augmented with a blunt force weapon granting him planetary striking force, I don't see how you could seriously contend Wolverine is going to tank that kind of damage and that Thor can't knock Logan out. Especially when we have evidence of Logan being knocked out. If you want to highball Logan's durability and healing factor, don't get upset if people highball Thor's showings.
Yeah, there was. And not just the fight. The only balls that are in vises are those of the people that even when handicapped, Thor wins this fight.
Originally posted by inimalist
it cuts away after those pages. Gorgon is seen fighting him in the background in another page, and iirc is hit once more before Hydra forces him to retreat (Gorgon is so enthused to keep fighting that he tries to run away from the teleport).I don't see any evidence to suggest that Gorgon couldn't hang with a brick
Yes, you are right. That's what happened.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I think that at the very least, getting hit will stun Gorgon more than long enough to get hit with a second shot, which in turn should make it easier to land 3rd etc etc until he's beaten.
that is logical, aside from the fact I think, at least with the stips of the OP, that Gorgon would cut Thor to pieces before such a combo was landed.
it goes both ways, right? One cut from Gorgon will almost certainly make the next easier, etc.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, you are right.
this is like crack to me
Originally posted by Silent Master
I’ve seen nothing that convinces me that Gorgon can cross the starting distance before Thor can pull the ground-pound.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I really see nothing to suggest Thor would right off the bat even attempt a ground and pound nor that he put either gorgon or omega red down.
Seeing as he's had all his other powers removed and isn't allowed to throw Mjolnir, I see no reason he wouldn't use the only ranged AOE attack the OP left him....especially as he's used it more than once in the past.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Seeing as he's had all his other powers removed and isn't allowed to throw Mjolnir, I see no reason he wouldn't use the only ranged AOE attack the OP left him....especially as he's used it more than once in the past.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganWhen you ask for evidence and follow it with statements like 'doubtful', it gives the impression that you're already assuming that the evidence is either not existent or misconstrued and indicates a bias.
but as the first attack? when? if so was it even more then once? doubtful.
Anyways, on with the show...
Originally posted by Existere
When you ask for evidence and follow it with statements like 'doubtful', it gives the impression that you're already assuming that the evidence is either not existent or misconstrued and indicates a bias.Anyways, on with the show...
