Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It depends on the circumstance, actually. Thor's opened many fights with a lightning bolt, charging in with Mjolnir with flight, or throwing it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He starts even more fights going melee (asside from throwing majolnir he does that kinda a lot, but then goes straight melee.)
Based on the entirety of his character history? Thor doesn't run at people with Mjolnir to start off most of his fights as opposed to flying at them at break neck speed, throwing lightning, or throwing Mjolnir at them. All things which have been nerfed here.
You can't remove said tactics which Thor does a lot and then act like it's OOC for Thor to do something else.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Peruse the majority of this thread. Or the previous butthurt fueled Logan vs. Thor threads that have since been closed due to said butthurt. Considering Thor's physical strength is on par with Hulk's to begin with and his strength is further augmented with a blunt force weapon granting him planetary striking force, I don't see how you could seriously contend Wolverine is going to tank that kind of damage and that Thor can't knock Logan out. Especially when we have evidence of Logan being knocked out. If you want to highball Logan's durability and healing factor, don't get upset if people highball Thor's showings.Yeah, there was. And not just the fight. The only balls that are in vises are those of the people that even when handicapped, Thor wins this fight.
Hulk has put the boots to Thor even with Thor using Mjolnir, pretending that Thor = Hulk without Mjolnir, and with it he is elevated to a completely different level is disingenuous. That being said, outside of his first appearance, even the Hulk has been hard pressed to get a ko on Wolverine. That fight was prior to Wolverine's healing factor being introduced and has been retcon'd more than once. Hell even WWH failed to get a conclusive ko, even after repeated blows to the head in quick succession. The vast majority of Wolverine's appearances support the stance that he would have little trouble tanking Thor's attacks. You can get defensive and pretend that people are under rating Thor if you'd like, but that isn't the case, what is happening is that I'm not underselling Wolverine... and that doesn't sit well with you for some reason.
I think the ground-pound would actually be like the way Flash's speed is supposed to be judged. Thor doesn't consciously hold back the ground-pound for any reason at the beginning of the fight, its not like he has something against it, and it would be a very logical move against 2 opponents.
However, I also don't think either Omega or Gorgon are just going to mindlessly run at Thor. Both are extremely good fighters, and the scans I've posted show Gorgon more as a fighter who lets his opponent come to him. Gorgon and Red would be much better off if the tried to get Thor between them, not just running at him, and they would know this. Hell, I know this, and when do I fight people?
Originally posted by Silent Master
He's never started off a fight where all his ranged powers were removed and he wasn't allowed to throw Mjolnir.
true. add to that the common knowledge rule and he would likely do anything he could to avoid having gorgon getting into direct melee range with that sword...
i don't find a quick ground-pound attack hard to imagine at all, and think it would be consistent with a thor placed in these conditions. he isn't really dumb, and does have some combat experience.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hulk has put the boots to Thor even with Thor using Mjolnir, pretending that Thor = Hulk without Mjolnir, and with it he is elevated to a completely different level is disingenuous. That being said, outside of his first appearance, even the Hulk has been hard pressed to get a ko on Wolverine. That fight was prior to Wolverine's healing factor being introduced and has been retcon'd more than once. Hell even WWH failed to get a conclusive ko, even after repeated blows to the head in quick succession. The vast majority of Wolverine's appearances support the stance that he would have little trouble tanking Thor's attacks. You can get defensive and pretend that people are under rating Thor if you'd like, but that isn't the case, what is happening is that I'm not underselling Wolverine... and that doesn't sit well with you for some reason.
If by put the boots to you mean virtually stalemate every encounter, sure. Considering Thor has matched Hulk's strength for hours, they're peers in strengths physically, especially when you compare strength feats for each of them. Adding Mjolnir gives Thor an advantage when it comes to sheer striking power, don't kid yourself.
What doesn't sit well with me is your underselling Thor while simultaneously overselling Wolverine as you're quite want to do.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If by put the boots to you mean virtually stalemate every encounter, sure. Considering Thor has matched Hulk's strength for hours, they're peers in strengths physically, especially when you compare strength feats for each of them. Adding Mjolnir gives Thor an advantage when it comes to sheer striking power, don't kid yourself.What doesn't sit well with me is your underselling Thor while simultaneously overselling Wolverine as you're quite want to do.
How is he overselling Wolverine by talking about fights he had with Hulk, the character he was designed to be a rouge for and has fought more then anyone including thor by quite a bit.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
How is he overselling Wolverine by talking about fights he had with Hulk, the character he was designed to be a rouge for and has fought more then anyone including thor by quite a bit.
I like how it's "how is he overselling Wolverine" over "how is underselling Thor" or asking both.
For starters, pretending Logan's going to carve up Thor like a turkey pretty easily while Thor, I guess, stands there, is one thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why are we talking about Wolverine's durability.....it has nothing to do with whether Gorgon or OR can tank Thor's hits?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why are we talking about Wolverine's durability.....it has nothing to do with whether Gorgon or OR can tank Thor's hits?
Because they have "minimal showings and they fight Wolverine a lot, so we'll give them the benefit of the doubt and just project Wolverine feats onto them".
If this thread can go 2-3 pages without mentioning Wolverine at all, I'd be surprised.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I like how it's "how is he overselling Wolverine" over "how is underselling Thor" or asking both.For starters, pretending Logan's going to carve up Thor like a turkey pretty easily while Thor, I guess, stands there, is one thing.
really when did he suggest thor would just stand there?