The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Please, enlighten me.

Read my posts, I stated everything extremely clearly. If you want to argue the way you are, then you better be ready to accept a lot more speed showings for Thor. Thor's struck everyone from Surfer to Superman -you don't have to count the last one- in fights they attempted to use their speed to dodge attacks.

Pretty ironic isn't it? Using the line of thinking you're utilizing, the team gets destroyed.

We actually have scenes where Thor illustrates legit super speed such as stopping a blitz from Hyperion:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg

Or Thor swinging twice before a blood lusted Gladiator could cover a few feet in flight:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator4.jpg

Then there's the higher end shit such as punching in between microseconds:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsMicroSecond.jpg

These feats blow anything Logan has out of the water. Thor's faster when he has to be. It's not a knock against Logan. His simply out of his league.

Just because you ignore them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They aren't even remotely similar. Omega Red and Gorgon are irrevocably tied to Wolverine, the notion that they are Wolverine, only better is essential to their characters. On the other hand, Silver Surfer and Gladiator have no ties to Thor to speak of other than the fact that they have fought from time to time. Apples and Oranges.

Yes they are. Trying to justify your bullshit reasoning, doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit reasoning.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Heimdall scan is a standard "too fast for the eye to fallow scene," which Wolverine - and all streets - have several of. The narration doesn't say "too fast for Heimdall" to fallow, that is just typical wishful fantasy from Thor fanboys. It says "the eye." It is merely a point of reference for the reader, that Thor is capable of moving faster than they, the reader, could see. Heimdall himself did see the attack, and in fact parried/blocked it... it was just too powerful and the force of the impact shattered his ear drums.

You're the only one doing the wishful thinking.

Read the damn narration. It was clearly in the context of Heimdall himself.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorFasterthantheEye.jpg

And where did it say his shield blocked the blow?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Please. Other than he fighting like an ass - which he does 9/10 anyway - there was nothing below average about Thor in that showing, you only think that because you have no clue what Wolverine is capable off. If Thor was stupid enough to engage Wolverine in melee combat and use Mjolnir to club shit like he does most of the time, he would get cut up... and that's what happened.

You know so little about Thor and his capabilities.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is faster. Wolverine jumped on Thor's back. There is no indication that he attempted to stab him, or even that his claws were out at the time. If he had tried too, he would have and the fight would have had a different outcome.

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So Thor was in pain because Logan struck him?
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor5.jpg

Pay attention everyone! This is how far Skrank has fallen.

I don't even have to try with you. You're digging your own grave.

And look at that huge speed disadvantage. Thor is able to turn around and bat Logan away. Yet I thought he was clearly far slower than him. Even the comic you so desperately cling to disproves your stance.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ares is basically a downgraded version of wolverine...inferior in every aspect except strength

Yeah, Ares didn't live up to the hype. That much we can agree on. Cool enough character, but he's not in Herc's league, much less Thor's.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
there pretty long.

What are you two debating?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Ares didn't live up to the hype. That much we can agree on. Cool enough character, but he's not in Herc's league, much less Thor's.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor is neutered in this thread. In comics he might be >>>> Ares and Herc because of his powers, but this is pure melee. In pure melee they are all essentially interchangeable (with Ares not being quite as powerful as either of them).

Lol, gtfo. You're just being straight up idiotic now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

So Thor was in pain because Logan struck him?

unless thor just screams 'aaaagh' for fun.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, don't know why marvel made him so weak. he could've been a badass character. eh.

My guess - however accurate or inaccurate - is because Marvel didn't want their Ares to be a carbon copy of DC's version. I really think though, as the God of War, Marvel's Ares should have had actual powers pertaining to war and should have been like Captain America on god-roids. Making him a legit class 100 would have helped.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There was an earlier discussion saying that the tentacles aren't ranged attacks.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor was in pain because he screamed 'aaaagggh' as logan dug his claws into his back.

unless thor just screams 'aaaagh' for fun.

K.

Skrank's arguing that Logan didn't use his claws. I.e. he punched Thor. He thinks if he used his claws, that would have ended the fight.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
They are very much melee weapons similar to a whip.

average/most consistent thor would likely lose this unless he was smart. i'd still think smashing the adamantium floor of the stadium full force would ko gorgon for sure and do some real harm to red. red could put up a tussle for a short time in straight melee with thor, but no more than that i don't think.

using high end feats make for a different ending i think.

thor's speed is a pain in the ass. writers themselves don't agree on it, so accurately gauging it in the forum is next to impossible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
K.

Skrank's arguing that Logan didn't use his claws. I.e. he punched Thor. He thinks if he used his claws, that would have ended the fight.

Watch him argue that they can hurt Thor or something.

Originally posted by leonidas
average/most consistent thor would likely lose this unless he was smart. i'd still think smashing the adamantium floor of the stadium full force would ko gorgon for sure and do some real harm to red. red could put up a tussle for a short time in straight melee with thor, but no more than that i don't think.

using high end feats make for a different ending i think.

thor's speed is a pain in the ass. writers themselves don't agree on it, so accurately gauging it in the forum is next to impossible.

gorgon can time his jump and jump into the air as thor smashes down and avoid any shockwave....

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
They are very much melee weapons similar to a whip.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Watch him argue that they can hurt Thor or something.

thors blunt durability is up there...superman level. its his pierce durability thats shit in relation to the more durable heralds.

Well, if he doesn't think the claws were used, then it's either punches or telekinesis.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has carbonadium and top notch damage soak, he could take one or two, not that the fight will last that long.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It would be like Colossus fans applying Gladiator's high-ends feats to his fight with Colossus and then claiming that Colossus can 3 shot a planet and has superspeed.

Is this a joke?
Thats WHAT. YOU'RE DOING. WITH THOR. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Is this a joke?
Thats WHAT. YOU'RE DOING. WITH THOR. 😐

No, they are trying to apply Wolverine's high end speed feats to the Gorgon fight, in order to make Gorgon beating him more impressive. I'm using Thor's feats.