The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read my posts, I stated everything extremely clearly. If you want to argue the way you are, then you better be ready to accept a lot more speed showings for Thor. Thor's struck everyone from Surfer to Superman -you don't have to count the last one- in fights they attempted to use their speed to dodge attacks.

Pretty ironic isn't it? Using the line of thinking you're utilizing, the team gets destroyed.

We actually have scenes where Thor illustrates legit super speed such as stopping a blitz from Hyperion:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg

Or Thor swinging twice before a blood lusted Gladiator could cover a few feet in flight:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator4.jpg

Then there's the higher end shit such as punching in between microseconds:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsMicroSecond.jpg

These feats blow anything Logan has out of the water. Thor's faster when he has to be. It's not a knock against Logan. His simply out of his league.

Just because you ignore them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Yes they are. Trying to justify your bullshit reasoning, doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit reasoning.

You're the only one doing the wishful thinking.

Read the damn narration. It was clearly in the context of Heimdall himself.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorFasterthantheEye.jpg

And where did it say his shield blocked the blow?

You know so little about Thor and his capabilities.

crylaugh

So Thor was in pain because Logan struck him?
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor5.jpg

[b]Pay attention everyone! This is how far Skrank has fallen.

I don't even have to try with you. You're digging your own grave.

And look at that huge speed disadvantage. Thor is able to turn around and bat Logan away. Yet I thought he was clearly far slower than him. Even the comic you so desperately cling to disproves your stance. [/B]

THAT is the shit the Wolvie brigade is trying to push?? 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
average/most consistent thor would likely lose this unless he was smart. i'd still think smashing the adamantium floor of the stadium full force would ko gorgon for sure and do some real harm to red. red could put up a tussle for a short time in straight melee with thor, but no more than that i don't think.

using high end feats make for a different ending i think.

thor's speed is a pain in the ass. writers themselves don't agree on it, so accurately gauging it in the forum is next to impossible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We actually have scenes where Thor illustrates legit super speed such as stopping a blitz from Hyperion:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg

*sigh

Thor didn't use super speed there. He got blitzed by Hyperion who just bull rushed into him and hit Hyperion off of him AFTER being blitzed. It's not all that impressive except as a showing of what he can tank in blunt force.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Or Thor swinging twice before a blood lusted Gladiator could cover a few feet in flight:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator4.jpg

😂 Bloodlusted... in the same page where Gladiator flat out states he's HARDLY showing his best while having a noncholant conversation.
Hitting flying debris isn't that impressive, the ninja turtles do it on Saturday morning cartoons. Gladiator was using some amount of speed that's unquantifiable and again BLITZED Thor. At face value Thor wasn't even moving faster than the speed of sound, at logical value it's still unquantifiable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then there's the higher end shit such as punching in between microseconds:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsMicroSecond.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
These feats blow anything Logan has out of the water. Thor's faster when he has to be. It's not a knock against Logan. His simply out of his league.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read the damn narration. It was clearly in the context of Heimdall himself.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorFasterthantheEye.jpg

And where did it say his shield blocked the blow?

The panel also clarifies a distinction between "the eye"
And a "Mere swordthrust by Heimdall"
It specifies one sentence to Heimdall while leaving the other to generalization.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You know so little about Thor and his capabilities.

In spite of reading all of Thor's appearances.... riiiiight 🙄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
crylaugh

So Thor was in pain because Logan struck him?
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor5.jpg

[b]Pay attention everyone! This is how far Skrank has fallen.

I don't even have to try with you. You're digging your own grave.

And look at that huge speed disadvantage. Thor is able to turn around and bat Logan away. Yet I thought he was clearly far slower than him. Even the comic you so desperately cling to disproves your stance. [/B]

There's no blood coming out of Thor's back.
There's no damage to his costume in the back.
No Damage to his cape.
Wolverine's claws are retracted the next time we see them in the very next panel.
Wolverine already cut Thor with swipes.
Stabbing would have ended one of two ways with Thor stabbed, or with Wolverine's claws being pushed back up his forearms. Since he already cut Thor it's not hard to come to a reasonable conclussion on the matter.. unless of course you're a Thor fan I guess.

It says he unleashes the punch a few micro-seconds before the hammer can strike. That means he throws the punch, turns around and catches the hammer in a few mincro-seconds.

Just the turning around and catching the hammer would be >>>>>>>>> any Wolverine speed feat.

Originally posted by Starscream M
The Gorgon gets an adamantium katana.

Fight in an adamantium stadium.

someone mops up omega red and gorgon's remains at some point *shrug*

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor hits the ground with the force of a meteor impact

someone mops up omega red and gorgon's remains at some point *shrug*

Originally posted by jinzin
There's no blood coming out of Thor's back.
There's no damage to his costume in the back.
No Damage to his cape.
Wolverine's claws are retracted the next time we see them in the very next panel.
Wolverine already cut Thor with swipes.
Stabbing would have ended one of two ways with Thor stabbed, or with Wolverine's claws being pushed back up his forearms. Since he already cut Thor it's not hard to come to a reasonable conclussion on the matter.. unless of course you're a Thor fan I guess.

To argue that Wolverine DIDN'T use his claws on Thor that time is sheer foolishness, man. Come on, dude!!!

Since when has Wolverine ever used the double-fists-in-front stance when PUNCHING an opponent? Artwork implies that it was claws and pure motivation (wherein Logan believes he was fighting Creed) would point out to him using his claws as well. Common sense.

As for your arguments:
You don't see his costume and back in this panel. And future panels tend not to show superficial damage done to Thor (as per the prior injuries he suffered from Logan not being shown in this panel).
Irrelevant as Wolverine CAN retract his claws at will. One could argue that he automatically retracted his claws as soon as he was batted away so he wouldn't accidentally fall on them and injure himself (w/c makes more sense than him double fist-punching his opponent in the back for fun).
So he did.
Not really, it simply looks like he stabbed Tho, did superficial damage and got swatted away. How can you read interpret it any other way?

Originally posted by Starscream M
because they can't simply jump before he hits the ground right? 🙄

Shockwaves aren't localized in the ground only. :-/

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Shockwaves aren't localized in the ground only. :-/

Originally posted by Silent Master
It says he unleashes the punch a few micro-seconds before the hammer can strike. That means he throws the punch, turns around and catches the hammer in a few mincro-seconds.

Just the turning around and catching the hammer would be >>>>>>>>> any Wolverine speed feat.

Unleashes a sense staggering blow could be a reference to the effect, not the cause.

He's already in a position to catch the hammer by the end of the punch.
It's not impressive since Mjolnir automatically homes in on Thor's grasp as it is.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
To argue that Wolverine DIDN'T use his claws on Thor that time is sheer foolishness, man. Come on, dude!!!

Since when has Wolverine ever used the double-fists-in-front stance when PUNCHING an opponent? Artwork implies that it was claws and pure motivation (wherein Logan believes he was fighting Creed) would point out to him using his claws as well. Common sense.

As for your arguments:
You don't see his costume and back in this panel. And future panels tend not to show superficial damage done to Thor (as per the prior injuries he suffered from Logan not being shown in this panel).
Irrelevant as Wolverine CAN retract his claws at will. One could argue that he automatically retracted his claws as soon as he was batted away so he wouldn't accidentally fall on them and injure himself (w/c makes more sense than him double fist-punching his opponent in the back for fun).
So he did.
Not really, it simply looks like he stabbed Tho, did superficial damage and got swatted away. How can you read interpret it any other way?

Thor spent the entire fight injured and holding his side from a glancing blow to the love handle. If Wolverine had indeed stabbed him in the back (which he didn't), it wouldn't have been "superficial damage," it would have been two punctured lungs and an unconscious Thor.

Originally posted by jinzin
*sigh

Thor didn't use super speed there. He got blitzed by Hyperion who just bull rushed into him and hit Hyperion off of him AFTER being blitzed. It's not all that impressive except as a showing of what he can tank in blunt force.

😂 Bloodlusted... in the same page where Gladiator flat out states he's HARDLY showing his best while having a noncholant conversation.
Hitting flying debris isn't that impressive, the ninja turtles do it on Saturday morning cartoons. Gladiator was using some amount of speed that's unquantifiable and again BLITZED Thor. At face value Thor wasn't even moving faster than the speed of sound, at logical value it's still unquantifiable.

It doesn't say Thor is punching in between microseconds, it says that his punch is landing microseconds before he himself would be hit.
It would be more quantifiable and impressive if we say him start from a chambered position and then land that blow in the span of microseconds... but that's not what's being shown. We see the effect of his punch microseconds before his hammer connects... It may or may not be a speed feat.
And, if it is a speed feat it's 1 feat that's heavily outside of the majority of Thor's career.
It's as relivent as me bringing up that Wolverine can do hand springs, cartwheels, and flips, while attacking, down a straight line nearly as fast as speed demon can run. It's heavily inconsistent with his typical representation and not worth discussion.

When he has to... like while being stabbed and beat on? 🙄 He has to A LOT more than several times in his career where he needs to be reacting at these microsecond speeds, or anything even REMOTELY close and he doesn't that's why it's in question to begin with.

No it wasn't.
It says that the blow was too powerful for a "sword thrust to intercept" which seems to suggest Heimball was attempting to intercept the Hammer but the power was too great to do anything about it.

The panel also clarifies a distinction between "the eye"
And a "Mere swordthrust by Heimdall"
It specifies one sentence to Heimdall while leaving the other to generalization.

In spite of reading all of Thor's appearances.... riiiiight 🙄

Again Thor being attacked and then reacting to the attacker while they're STILL attacking him isn't a speed feat.

There's no blood coming out of Thor's back.
There's no damage to his costume in the back.
No Damage to his cape.
Wolverine's claws are retracted the next time we see them in the very next panel.
Wolverine already cut Thor with swipes.
Stabbing would have ended one of two ways with Thor stabbed, or with Wolverine's claws being pushed back up his forearms. Since he already cut Thor it's not hard to come to a reasonable conclussion on the matter.. unless of course you're a Thor fan I guess.

Pretty much.

The only impressive feat of speed is the microsecond feat... which has an ambitiousness to it as you've stated. Wolverine himself has several microsecond speed feats. His body moves faster than the speed of thought, which is 300 mircro seconds for a standard human, and considerably faster for someone like Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor spent the entire fight injured and holding his side from a glancing blow to the love handle. If Wolverine had indeed stabbed him in the back (which he didn't), it wouldn't have been "superficial damage," it would have been two punctured lungs and an unconscious Thor.

no way his fist would do anything to thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, any air shockwaves won't do much to these 2

Actually, when Thor struck Exitar's dome, the shockwave ripped cities into shreds and smashed mountain ranges miles away.

Yes, it would do a LOT to these 2.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor spent the entire fight injured and holding his side from a glancing blow to the love handle. If Wolverine had indeed stabbed him in the back (which he didn't), it wouldn't have been "superficial damage," it would have been two punctured lungs and an unconscious Thor.

In your opinion.

Not impressive? the hammer hadn't even reached him by the time he finished turning around and it was only a few micro-seconds away when he unleashes(note the tense used) the punch from the previous panel.

That feat is far, far, far better than any of Wolverine's speed feats.

Originally posted by Starscream M
logan did stab him...but he prob didn't stab him as deep as the art would suggest

no way his fist would do anything to thor

Wolverine didn't stab him and at the same time his fists didn't do anything either... not directly anyway. A 300 pound man jumped on Thor's back and he already had lacerations on his side, which were agitated by the force. Simple.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't stab him and at the same time his fists didn't do anything either... not directly anyway. A 300 pound man jumped on Thor's back and he already had lacerations on his side, which were agitated by the force. Simple.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pretty much.

The only impressive feat of speed is the microsecond feat... which has an ambitiousness to it as you've stated. Wolverine himself has several microsecond speed feats. His body moves faster than the speed of thought, which is 300 mircro seconds for a standard human, and considerably faster for someone like Wolverine.

Wrong, speed of thought is around 300 milliseconds. milisecond=1/1,000th of a second

Microsecond = 1/1,000,000th of a second

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't stab him and at the same time his fists didn't do anything either... not directly anyway. A 300 pound man jumped on Thor's back and he already had lacerations on his side, which were agitated by the force. Simple.

So your interpretation is:

Wolverine attacked (who, in his mind is Creed) Thor with a double-fisted punch to the back (not a very efficient punch and something that would do bupkiss to Creed) doing no damage to Thor but aggravating the minor injuries he had making him yell in pain?

Rather than this interpretation:

Wolverine stabbed (who, in his mind is Creed) Thor in the back (w/c would prolly be what he would do to Creed), doing superficial damage, making him yell in pain?

:-/

I mean, who even DOES a double fisted punch in comics or IRL???

I mean, via that position, it would be better to argue that Wolverine PUSHED Thor.