Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's not fair to do. As I said earlier, you can't neglect a character's entire history just for a fight between the two in a thread where one is watered down.Why would they water down Wolverine anyways in a fight with Thor? A high herald? Doesn't make any sense.
This has happened in other threads with certain characters.
Wouldn't ignoring Thor's lack of speed throughout the majority of his career BE neglecting his entire history?
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I think you're grasping jinzin just a little bit with the narration description.Anyways I've already said on average Thor doesn't display superspeed but he has in tight parts demonstrated to a good level and demonstrated the ability to handle it.
The whole point I wanted to bring into this convo is the possibility that Thor may have to focus his Godly Senses to attain his godly combat reflexes. Discuss to see if people thought it was plausible.
It could explain the possible large discrepancies in Thor's speed feats from high end to low end.
Not really. What makes that a speed feat is the illustration and narration. Neither of which are outside of Wolverine's ability, both of which have been trumped by Wolverie on panel, no grasping necessary.
But I do find your theory interesting, but it's just that, a theory.
I will at least say it's a reasonable one but wait until it's proven before I can give it credence.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
THOR'S SPEED:(Most of these scans and most descriptions come from the revamped Thor respect thread here on KMC).
Posting up a Thor respect thread section is not an argument, and it's been done already... We've already addressed most of these feats in the Thor vs. Wolverine h2h thread. if you would like to see rebuttles for a number of these feats I'll refer you to that thread.
That said:
A number of these feats are unquantifiable, feats associated to this hammer, or otherwise not impressive, if you would like to point out which feats you feel are outside of Wolverine's ability specifically instead of posting everything you think makes Thor look fast, then I'll write you up a proper response. Fair enough?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Bullets are not in the same category. Blocking bullets is a clear cut meta-human hypersonic speed level. It's easy to work a story around a street character with this level of speed.As a feat commodity, bullet dodging/blocking will never run out of value due to their ease of implementation story wise. Simple as that.LAZER dodging/blocking however...lazers are supposed to be light speed in reality. But there is NO WAY someone like Cap or Logan are faster than light just because they can react to a lazer in comics. Their history does not reflect anything resembling this nor was their powerset something that accomodates this.
Lazers in comics are usually ambiguous as shit. There is nothing ambiguous about bullets, tank shells, missiles etc.
The only reason why nonsense feats like lazers are brought up is to debunk the idea of someone being superior in speed when both characters clearly operate in and around the same levels.
This is still going on? Catch me up to speed jinzin. Let me guess: Still no feats to suggest Thor is faster than either of these characters? Check. Still no feats that suggest Thor is durable enough to turn Adamantium or Carbonadium weaponry? Check. Still no evidence that Thor would be resistance to Gorgon's telepathy. Check. But "LOLZCATZ Thor winz cus he's a god!" That's a check.
Pathetic.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure, if you either ignore or make up excuses why Thor's higher end feats don't count.
No need to ignore anything, they don't exist. The problem is that you - and certain other posters - are incapable of being objective. You've arbitrarily decided that Thor wins because he is a god, and to that end you are more than comfortable ignoring the fact that 99.9% of Thor's appearance evolve him slugging it out, shot for shot, with mooks like Absorbing Man or the Wrecking Crew. Apparently 99.99999% of Thor's appearances are completely irrelevant.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Justin Wong and Wolverine say differently. 😈
And what if he picks Haggar? uhuh
Proof that Mike can beat anyone from low meta to high herald, and solve unwanted pregnancies in seconds. uhuh
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
This is still going on? Catch me up to speed jinzin. Let me guess: Still no feats to suggest Thor is faster than either of these characters? Check. Still no feats that suggest Thor is durable enough to turn Adamantium or Carbonadium weaponry? Check. Still no evidence that Thor would be resistance to Gorgon's telepathy. Check. But "LOLZCATZ Thor winz cus he's a god!" That's a check.Pathetic.
Annnnnd that's about it so far...
Originally posted by jinzin
The cliff note version:
Apparently people feel Thor's speed is a staple ability of the character, to the point that some people are no joke claiming he can punch at light speed.
The Thor/Wolverine fight doesn't show Wolverine's superiority to Thor in combat speed anymore, and infact will be completely ignored.
-Insert typical self serving ODG argument-
Apparently Thor two shot Wolverine now, Rulk one shot him, and Namor one shot him.
Thor hitting Wolverine with lightning is a h2h feat worth discussion.
Thor blasting Daken with lightinig is a h2h discussion.
Now it's us ignoring "Thor's whole career" by not giving credence to the handful of feats he has in opposition to the rest of his well... career.
-Insert Thor's respect thread concerning his speed-
Thor groundpounding a trench with 3 after images "almost" faster than the eye can follow would be Wolverine's "best feat ever ever" even if Wolverine had Thor's strength to replicate the feat, even though Wolverine's already trumped that feat by being completely invisible to the human eye.Annnnnd that's about it so far...
Almost as bad as Storm fans, but at least none of the Storm bs is arbitrarily attributed to her because she is a "godess."
Originally posted by srankmissingninNot true.
Almost as bad as Storm fans, but at least none of the Storm bs is arbitrarily attributed to her because she is a "godess."
Storm fans totally do that.
At least Thor actually is a god, so it's simply the leap of logic (not the actual premise) that makes no sense.
Originally posted by Deadline
Whatever.
He is generally considered to be one of the better debators on the forum. Something wrong with that?
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Guys, the bashing stops now. Some of you have come dangerously close to warnings, and for some that means a temp ban (if not a permanent one).
It needs to end.
Originally posted by CosmicCometIt is more absurd to dodge lasers, but dodging bullets constantly *after* they fired is bad. One could make the excuse of aim dodging, but no street leveler should be dodging the bullets. The lowest is Spider-Man because of his sense, and even then it's only at a certain distance.
Bullets are not in the same category. Blocking bullets is a clear cut meta-human hypersonic speed level. It's easy to work a story around a street character with this level of speed.As a feat commodity, bullet dodging/blocking will never run out of value due to their ease of implementation story wise. Simple as that.LAZER dodging/blocking however...lazers are supposed to be light speed in reality. But there is NO WAY someone like Cap or Logan are faster than light just because they can react to a lazer in comics. Their history does not reflect anything resembling this nor was their powerset something that accomodates this.
Lazers in comics are usually ambiguous as shit. There is nothing ambiguous about bullets, tank shells, missiles etc.
Bottom line is that speed is hard to quantify in comics, unless you're at an extreme end (like Flash) and even then it is tough.
To place Batman in the same park as Spider-Man as speed because they do "relatively similar stuff" that can't be quantified is ridiculous.
I agree with you there.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No need to ignore anything, they don't exist. The problem is that you - and certain other posters - are incapable of being objective. You've arbitrarily decided that Thor wins because he is a god, and to that end you are more than comfortable ignoring the fact that 99.9% of Thor's appearance evolve him slugging it out, shot for shot, with mooks like Absorbing Man or the Wrecking Crew. Apparently 99.99999% of Thor's appearances are completely irrelevant.
Thanks for proving me correct.