The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Newjak
No I think it made my point very well because apparently Wolverine can do any feat that someone who can blur and leave after images can do according to your statement as long as that was all that was stated.

And that is a poor excuse at trying to downplay the feat. Thor wasn't shown to lift a portion of land up, something he could have done as well, he was shown and stated to move and dig out the area which was a vast distance when you compare it to the city below. Wolverine never could have covered the distance or dug that ditch even with Thor's strength at the rate Thor did. Wolverine's speed is not close enough to do that nor has his ability to move ever been demonstrated to be that.

And so we can get it out of the way Thor was stated to dig the area, not pick up, not muscle the land up, not swing away large chunks, he dug out the land and it was never shown that he was chucking out large portions of the ground.

It was shown that he dug a ditch big enough to direct all the lava from an erupting volcano away from a city moments before the lava could reach it.

Again... we've seen what class 40's can do with a ground pound in terms of churning up landscape.
Wendigo and Hulk have ripped landscapes off the earth with a casual lift and swing.
What we see: Thor in three after images.
What we're told: Thor moving "almost faster than" mortal eyes can follow.
What Thor's doing: Whacking away at the landscape beneath him...

For all intents and purposes it looks like Thor was basically groundpounding that ditch, not literally digging it out of the earth, and I'm sorry to say but if he was literally digging the ditch out of the earth (which I wouldn't even been sure how he can do that with a hammer) then moving "almost" faster than the eye can follow is a poor comparison to Wolverine who has moved "faster" than the eye can follow and it's certainly not a feat outside of Wolverine's "hack your limbs off while remaining completely invisible to human perception" feats.

Originally posted by Starscream M
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tell me what I said regarding WW and batman so either I can defend it or accept my mistake. I honestly dont remember commenting on it though.

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Originally posted by Mindset
Hmmm, who do I troll, Rage or the Wolverine brigand?

This is why I hate these threads. 🙁

And also lawlz at the thread getting ridiculously long within a few days.

Originally posted by Philosophía
😂

And also lawlz at the thread getting ridiculously long within a few days.

It's because one side is basing the fight on a single feat and refuse to accept that the character actually has better feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's because one side is basing the fight on a single feat and refuse to accept that the character actually has better feats.

Why would they water down Wolverine anyways in a fight with Thor? A high herald? Doesn't make any sense.

This has happened in other threads with certain characters.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Holy cow. This thread is approaching my Thanos and SS vs Flash and Zoom thread. Some characters have the magical ability to make threads grow, like Wolverine.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's because the Thor/Surfer and to a lesser extent, Thanos side supporters, have a sensible vagina when it comes to speed, and their characters' lack of.

You give Thor the win here though, or am I wrong?

ha-som

And yes, Thor would win.

Cool.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah I suppose you're right:

Wolverine vs Namor hand to hand:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/25493/680325-namorfight4_super.jpg

Thor vs Namor: (Thor one shots him)

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength23Invaders33.jpg

There's also a comic where Namor and Hulk are each holding one of Thor's arms, and they have a leverage advantage and they can't overpower him.

Thor vs Wolverine:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsWolverine03.jpg

Thor vs Daken:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47254/1284139-thorvsinitiative08_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47254/1284140-thorvsinitiative09_super.jpg

That's a pretty thorough owning if I've ever seen one.

King Thor vs Wolverine:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/69308/1486887-how_thor_lost_his_arm_1_super.png

Now where's your evidence? How exactly does Marvel disagree with me?

So what proof do you have to back up that Wolverine could beat Thor in any capacity?

That's as thorough of an owning as I've ever seen.

Yeah I think you're grasping jinzin just a little bit with the narration description.

Anyways I've already said on average Thor doesn't display superspeed but he has in tight parts demonstrated to a good level and demonstrated the ability to handle it.

The whole point I wanted to bring into this convo is the possibility that Thor may have to focus his Godly Senses to attain his godly combat reflexes. Discuss to see if people thought it was plausible.

It could explain the possible large discrepancies in Thor's speed feats from high end to low end.

THOR'S SPEED:

(Most of these scans and most descriptions come from the revamped Thor respect thread here on KMC).

Right to the point: Looks like he's fast enough to block a surprise attack from Wolverine:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed30WolverinevsThor2.jpg

Thor catches a tank shell:

http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/?action=view&current=Thor-FirstThunder4009.jpg

Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand in Journey Into Mystery #93:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed02JIM93.jpg

And similarly snatches a fired missile with his bare hand in Marvel Team-Up #148:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15b-MarvelTeamup148.jpg

Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver in Avengers #98:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed09Avengers098.jpg

Here, Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it in Thor vol. 2 #27:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed25.jpg

Thor catches a High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra in Thor #475:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

Here, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands in Thor #447:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed17447.jpg

Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg

Thor moves too fast for Heimdall to see;:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/Journey_in_to_mystery125-14-2.jpg?t=1296250820

And here, while helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed14267.jpg

The original Black Knight shoots bolas from his lance that are literally surrounding Thor, but because of his speed, Thor knocks the lance away and evades capture. Black Knight exclaims, "I've never seen such speed... such power!!" From Avengers #6:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed05Avengers006.jpg

Thor reacts to Wrecker swinging his mystic crowbar onto Thor's head FROM BEHIND. Literally only inches away, Thor moves so swiftly once again, he snatches the crowbar with his hand in Thor vol. 2 #29: (If you really analyze this one its quite impressive)

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed27v229.jpg

While fending off two Herald-level foes, Adam Warlock likens his ability to catch his staff mid-swing and his combat speed to that of lightning, "He moves like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember." From Infinity Watch #23:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed20InfinityWatch23.jpg

Thor reacts and swats away arrows that are only a few feet away from hitting him from behind in Thor vol. 2 #27:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed23v207.jpg

Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice in Avengers #281 and Thor vol. 2 #27:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

This one is one of the most impressive as far as I'm concerned:

Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary in Journey Into Mystery #98:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed03JIM98.jpg

Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor #144:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg

Here, in the space of one and one-fifth seconds, Thor dives out of the sky, smashes Mjolnir down and causes a shockwave to divert a runaway truck from killing a young boy ACROSS the city in Journey Into Mystery #108:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed04JIM108.jpg

Out races Alter Ego:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=522796&pagenumber=20

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts in Thor #270:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15270.jpg

He does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15aMarvelTwo-In-One96.jpg

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents #44:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed17bMCP44.jpg

Again, I want to see a response WITH EVIDENCE that Wolverine can match this speed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He means this... lol

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What good memories

Originally posted by Existere
crylaugh

What good memories

He did ask for it though, literally, several times. So I posted it.

Originally posted by Existere
crylaugh

What good memories

anyways, welcome back...it's good to have an intellectual equal on the boards again! (I think of myself of Ra's al Ghul and you as batman and I constantly challenge you to prove yourself 🙂)

Lol Smurph and Masterbruce are equals. When did this rivalry occur? When did Smurph get on Bruce's level?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol Smurph and Masterbruce are equals. When did this rivalry occur? When did Smurph get on Bruce's level?

O_O

Originally posted by Starscream M
I witnessed his debating skills during a tourney and I found someone who's mental acuity rivals mine. There are many more knowledgeable than I, but few as sharp. Smurph is the only one whose clarity of logic has made an impression. I wouldn't go so far as to say he is better though.