Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Logan`s highest end speed feats clearly match Thor`s in terms of melee combat. That`s just judging from all the scans provided. There are also scans of Logan looking like Quick Silver. We don`t use that one because we are aware that it`s outside of Logan`s normal ability. However, if Thor gets to throw punches in microseconds, Wolverine gets his Quicksilver speed.
Which would mean that Thor still has the better feats.
Originally posted by jinzin
Consistent showings which Thor doesn't have.... 😐
What about Gorgon? What are his speed feats like?
I'm not being patronising, I'm genuinely curious.
and my point was simply that yelling "it was stated once on panel" isn't worth shit unless you're (not you specifically, just phrasing) going to post something to support it.
Gorgon's speed feats I'm pretty sure are all posted in his respect thread.
They're a lot of bullet deflection feats. Off the top of my head they include:
- Blitzing Logan from about 100 yards away to the point Logan was shocked than anyone could be so fast.
- Running across a rooftop and blitzing Elektra's sniper as she was pulling a trigger so fast neither her nor a handful of shield agents standing behind her recognized what happened.
- Casually defleting bullets with swords (Though he's spinning them like hellicopter blades which I don't find AS impressive as others)
- No sold/shut out Elektra in a pro-longed h2h matchup even after giving her his sword.
- Sliced off a speedster's (Yoyo) hands, while she was attempting to blitz him from behind and in mid attack when he did it.
- Started out 5 or so feet from behind Von Strucker after 3 bullets were fire at his head, then cut them all out of the air after getting in front of strucker.
- His entire fight with Phobos was pretty much depicted as a high speed contest.
- One shot Phobos with a palm strike to the chest while Phobos was covered in a whirlwind of his own sword slashes.
- His most impressive feat IMO would be him telepathically communicating to Elektra an entire conversation before shield agents even begin to realize that they've shown up in the room (which is a MASSIVE processing feat), then he once again casually deflects bullets as they open fire.
I think the concensus from our side of the debate would be that Gorgon is ACTUALLY consistent with his speed and that said speed is effective during h2h combat. It's referenced in fights or artistically depicted in pretty much the majority of his appearances so when it's noted that he's faster than Elektra or Wolverine in h2h you can put some credence in it.
Thor? The issue is and always has been that he doesn't consistently fight at superspeed.... no check that.. he NEVER fights at superspeed. And while his hammer has great speed feats, or he has a few impressive speed feats pitterpattered throughout his career, having massive speed while fighting is not a staple of the character and it isn't something he routinely displays.
Him saying that Wolverine is faster than his h2h capability is in line with his typically portrayed speed in combat, it's in line with Wolverine's typically portrayed speed in combat and while one feat may not be a bar setter it IS a lot more reliable to use as evidence that actually exists between the two characters than simply insisting that it isn't while using a couple of feats that are either A) out of context, or B) far outside scope of the character's typicaly portrayal.
also once we are making this a repect thread for thor and Wolverine (who surprisingly isn't in this fight) let me post this also
