Originally posted by Deadline
Its been stated that he holds back. He never fights at superspeed? C'mon now. 😬
He doesn't. I don't know what to tell you. In spite of what a few random feats may suggest his actual fighting speed has never been overly impressive. And jusst because he holds back his power doesn't mean he's holding back his speed. If he could blitz his opponents with superspeed it would actually make things easier for him to hold back his power.
Aside from that, if anyone wants to argue towards Thor's CIS as an excuse, then it's still something counted on the forums.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Just like Spidey. Had to say that. Point I was making.
He pulls his punches, yes I know.
Originally posted by jinzin
He doesn't. I don't know what to tell you.
You're wrong. there are at least several references in the respect thread.
Originally posted by jinzin
In spite of what a few random feats may suggest his actual fighting speed has never been overly impressive.
Because you keep lowballing them? No they are not a few.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd jusst because he holds back his power doesn't mean he's holding back his speed. If he could blitz his opponents with superspeed it would actually make things easier for him to hold back his power.
Sure it does. I don't think any of those references imply that it excludes superspeed. Hes shown he can react with superspeed when he needs to.
Sorry man but I don't think the second sentence has any relevance.
Originally posted by jinzinAside from that, if anyone wants to argue towards Thor's CIS as an excuse, then it's still something counted on the forums.
I don't see how thats a disadvantage because he'll hold back but if the shit hits the fan he goes ape.
alright this is getting really stupid with the thor wankers first to mister kakuzu ... are you really compering a freakin soldiers to omega red and gorgon? go to the corner and think about what you just said
now to deadline... since when holding back imidiatly cancel all your powers? you know what holding back means? holding back means that you dont go all out and killing your opponent it doesnt mean you are not using any of your abilities and just like to get your ass kicked
thor is a hero almost every hero stated now and then that they hold back so now every hero that stated he is holding back alot suddenly we just double his abilities because of that? GTFO man seriously all i heard from the thor fanboys around here is nothing but not only speculations but baseless speculations
and please dont compare thor to spidy ok? spidy is holding back vs people and lame villians because his class 10 punch can just kill a human while thor isnt fighting humans he is fighting people that blitz him and beat him up so you want to tell me thor likes to get blitzed? holding back is not killing your opponent but not holding back your abilities when you are getting owned thats a very lame logic
bottom line is unless people stop bullshiting and bring up legit proof that actually prove thor can fight on those levels of super human fighting speed and not flying speed or letting mjolnir do the work then we will have somthing to talk about, the thor i know and any other comics reader who isnt a thor wanker is a brawler that slug it out unless he is using his other powers, he doesnt have combat speed on the level of superman or hell even wolverine , thor is just hercules with less skills and more powers
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
lol
lol is right here. This thread is an exercise of "lol".
Thor wins because of the stipulations of this match, his own skill and speed factors, durability, his strength factor, Mjolnir, and how they all match up as compared to the duo. The advantages he brings outstrips those of what the team brings.
If Thor is faster than legit speedsters such as Speed Demon in terms of pure combat speed, then why isn't it stated as such in his Marvel biography. NOTE: I understand this is not evidence; but don't expect me to believe that you know more than Marvel's staff on this issue. You are essentially trying to work KMC's rules in your favour to try and find some kind of loophole which puts Thor above Logan in terms of combat speed.
One of the speed feast you offer is the microsecond one - which is interesting considering what that actually means. I never thought about it until now but anyone who reacts to laser beams after the laser beams have been fired actually MUST move in microseconds. Here's the proof:
The speed of light is 299 792 458 m / s. One microsecond = .000001 seconds or a millionth of a second. This means that by multiplying 299 791 458 m/s by .000001, you get the distance that light travels in one microsecond. 299 791 458 * .000001 = 299.8 or approximately 300 meters per microsecond. This means that if Logan can react to a laser beam fired at 300 meters away (think of the 100 meter race times 3), he has in fact reacted to something that took ONE microsecond to travel. Depending on the reaction, he either moves his entire body (dodging) or his claws (blocking) in the span of exactly ONE microsecond. That's at 300 meters away remember. Now think of a laser beam firing at Logan 10 meters away. How long does it take for light to travel 10 meters?
Take 299 792 458 and divide by 29 979 245.8 to get 10 meters. Do the same thing to 1 second to work out the distance travelled by light in 10 meters.
299 792 458/29 979 245.8 = 10 1/29 979 245.8 = 3.34 * 10^-8s
3.34 * 10^-8s = 334 millionth of a second. Thor has been shown on panel to move within a few millionths of a second. Anyone who can move their entire body or even a part of of their body at 334 millionths of a second is 334/3 = 111 times faster than anyone who's top speed feet is only a few microseconds. Nanoseconds are a billionth of a second. So, essentially, anyone who can block a laser at 10 meters away or dodge a laser at 10 meters away either moves his hands or his entire body can move within the span of about 33.4 nanoseconds. That's .0334 microseconds.
Conclusion: According to the microsecond feat, Thor moves in the span of a few microseconds. According to various Logan feats where he either dodges or blocks lasers, Wolverine's reflexes are LESS THAN HALF A MICROSECOND! Just sayin'...
Please do check for any mathematical errors I may have made.
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
bottom line is that there is no bottom to your ignorance
If I'm ignorant and you agree with me........
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
it all depends on gorgon actually because omega red cant really damage thor, i will actually give thor the majority but i just wanted to point out the way this team(gorgon) can win because i hate when people just come and say "OMG THOR IS CLASS 100 AND THEY LIKE 10 SO THOR STOMPS"
What does that make you?
Originally posted by jinzin
Gorgon's speed feats I'm pretty sure are all posted in his respect thread.They're a lot of bullet deflection feats. Off the top of my head they include:
- Blitzing Logan from about 100 yards away to the point Logan was shocked than anyone could be so fast.
- Running across a rooftop and blitzing Elektra's sniper as she was pulling a trigger so fast neither her nor a handful of shield agents standing behind her recognized what happened.
- Casually defleting bullets with swords (Though he's spinning them like hellicopter blades which I don't find AS impressive as others)
- No sold/shut out Elektra in a pro-longed h2h matchup even after giving her his sword.
- Sliced off a speedster's (Yoyo) hands, while she was attempting to blitz him from behind and in mid attack when he did it.
- Started out 5 or so feet from behind Von Strucker after 3 bullets were fire at his head, then cut them all out of the air after getting in front of strucker.
- His entire fight with Phobos was pretty much depicted as a high speed contest.
- One shot Phobos with a palm strike to the chest while Phobos was covered in a whirlwind of his own sword slashes.
- His most impressive feat IMO would be him telepathically communicating to Elektra an entire conversation before shield agents even begin to realize that they've shown up in the room (which is a MASSIVE processing feat), then he once again casually deflects bullets as they open fire.I think the concensus from our side of the debate would be that Gorgon is ACTUALLY consistent with his speed and that said speed is effective during h2h combat. It's referenced in fights or artistically depicted in pretty much the majority of his appearances so when it's noted that he's faster than Elektra or Wolverine in h2h you can put some credence in it.
Thor? The issue is and always has been that he doesn't consistently fight at superspeed.... no check that.. he NEVER fights at superspeed. And while his hammer has great speed feats, or he has a few impressive speed feats pitterpattered throughout his career, having massive speed while fighting is not a staple of the character and it isn't something he routinely displays.
Him saying that Wolverine is faster than his h2h capability is in line with his typically portrayed speed in combat, it's in line with Wolverine's typically portrayed speed in combat and while one feat may not be a bar setter it IS a lot more reliable to use as evidence that actually exists between the two characters than simply insisting that it isn't while using a couple of feats that are either A) out of context, or B) far outside scope of the character's typicaly portrayal.
Not bad.
What about strength/damage output? How is he going to hurt Thor?