Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRight, which is why guys like Thing have knocked Thor about eh?
Oh please, Colossus' strength is insignificant to Thor. Surviving against the weakest portrayal of Gladiator (IIRC that same writer had Corsair one shot him with his blaster and was also responsible for the Gambit scene years later) hardly proves anything.
Originally posted by Spire
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Thor&word2=The+Gorgon+and+Omega+Red
Seems about right.
Originally posted by Bentley
Thing is uber, he can one-shot Logan. 😖hifty:
Can and has. thumbsup just ask Bada. 😉
Originally posted by Deadline
The thing is Thor has done better agaisnt guys alot faster than Wolverine, Thor was written down.
or aspects of other characters are written down to fight Thor. 😕
This farce has gone on long enough. Omega Red is getting hit and getting one shot. So is Gorgon. They have no way around dodging an attack that is thrown at speeds that beings much faster than they can dodge, and that's when it's a simple straight path shot. If Mjolnir homes in on its targets - something Team Wolvie conveniently ignores or believes won't happen - they're ****ed. They just are. Featblitzing us with Logan - and not Omega Red or Gorgon's own - speed scans while dismissing all the times Thor has been explicitly shown to be operating at high levels of super speed but instead hilariously citing "Thor said Logan was faster than him in that comic and Gorgan and OR are as fast or faster than Logan, so via ABC logic, they must be faster than Thor, therefore they win" is getting out of damn control. We all know Thor tags and hits people like Quicksilver, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, and Gladiator, Hermes, etc. and does so while they are moving at speeds. We all know at absolute worse, Thor's reflexes are at least on par with Logan and co based on the numerous things he's done.
But no. We ignore his entire history in favor for contradictory scans that - surprise - support Logan/Gorgon/Omega Red/Wolverine Community Favorites. Low-balling, trolling, being willfully ignorant, call it what you want. But it's gone on far enough.
There was a reason similar threads to these were closed. Because it's spite against the team and we all know it.
Originally posted by Deadline
Why would that be the case when hes been doing that for ages? Generally in his own series he seems more impressive.You wouldn't be saying that if it were Wolverine.
Like?
Perhaps you could provide us with the ages worth of examples that have him able to contend with faster people than Wolverine based on melee performance alone.
IMO people still have a hard time seperating traveling speed and fighting speed and how those types of speed are distinct from one another.
I can find you a number of examples of Thor toe to toeing it with Hulk, trading blows, and trading blows...and trading...blows.. 😕
There's multiple examples of Thor toe to toeing it with bricks like Absorbing Man, Wrecker, Hercules. TONS of guys who are not particularly known for massive feats of speed even times when such an advantage would be necessity to avoid defeat as with Desak, or Crusader where a speed advantage would be crucial.
There's tons of humiliating showings where Thor's speed looks fairly commonplace or unexeptional compared to streets like Spidey, Cap, Wolverine.
Him being basically at his wits end with Mongoose who literally ran circles around him or arguably blitzed by Gladiator.
We could continue these examples in spades, how about the number of fights he's had with Destroyer where again this supposed speed of his would be paramount, when he was toppled and humiliated by Spiderbot, when Ghost Rider took him by surprise by catching a ride on his hammer and kicking him on the roundabout?
Pretty much the whole first act of Siege where he got blitzed by Sentry, and IP was Teeing off on him.
Even while taking out thugs in his current runs he just sits back letting the hammer do all the work.
His entire career is completely littered with examples that show his combat speed as being nothing particularly special.
Everytime anyone asks for examples of him actually fighting at super speeds the examples we get are abysmal in return. An example of him reacting to Surfer flying at him in a straight line, an example of him reacting to IM flying at him in a straight line, an example of him reacting to a TK blast. Ignoring the fact that all of these examples are single strike/block reaction feats almost NONE of them are quantifiable and yet we have people comfortable enough to claim FTL reflexes or some-such for plenty of them even though FTL is never established or suggested.
Thor has on panel statements of being impressed, or at a loss for the speed of others.
These parties are inclusive of people like Balder, Wolverine, and Spidey where Thor has flat out admitted his inferiority against people who ARE well known for their combat speed, who have combat speed feats, who are constantly referenced in regards to their speed.
Why do we need to ignore the wealth of Thor's career just to throw him a bone and give him an advantage in this fight he doesn't actually have?
You think otherwise? Then please provide this wealth evidence.
Though I can assure you that it will be difficult to do seeing as it doesn't likely exist.
Bottem line, if you're of the opinion that Thor fights faster than Wolverine, that's likely an opinion that's the result of cherry picking a minority of showings (most of which are ambiguous, unquantifiable, or unimpressive to begin with) in favor of his entire career which contradicts them to a larger degree.
Thor has stated his combat speed is slower than Wolverine on panel, and there's a wealth of evidence to support as much.
Gorgon being faster than Thor, when Gorgon's faster than Wolverine isn't much of a stretch if it is one at all.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This farce has gone on long enough. Omega Red is getting hit and getting one shot. So is Gorgon. They have no way around dodging an attack that is thrown at speeds that beings much faster than they can dodge, and that's when it's a simple straight path shot. If Mjolnir homes in on its targets - something Team Wolvie conveniently ignores or believes won't happen - they're ****ed. They just are. Featblitzing us with Logan - and not Omega Red or Gorgon's own - speed scans while dismissing all the times Thor has been explicitly shown to be operating at high levels of super speed but instead hilariously citing "Thor said Logan was faster than him in that comic and Gorgan and OR are as fast or faster than Logan, so via ABC logic, they must be faster than Thor, therefore they win" is getting out of damn control. We all know Thor tags and hits people like Quicksilver, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, and Gladiator, Hermes, etc. and does so while they are moving at speeds. We all know at absolute worse, Thor's reflexes are at least on par with Logan and co based on the numerous things he's done.But no. We ignore his entire history in favor for contradictory scans that - surprise - support Logan/Gorgon/Omega Red/Wolverine Community Favorites. Low-balling, trolling, being willfully ignorant, call it what you want. But it's gone on far enough.
There was a reason similar threads to these were closed. Because it's spite against the team and we all know it.
Omega Red can tank Colossus punches with a literal smile on his face and he has a healing factor. He isn't being one shot.
Gorgon.. maybe but again with how fast his healing factor works it's unlikely.
Thor MANAGING to tag people with superspeed WHO AREN'T using it, isn't some great testiment to Thor's superb combat speed, ESPECIALLY when his combat speed is CONSTANTLY shown to be just a little bit superior to the average Marvel brick.
These threads actually have a tendancy to get closed because people with your attitude like to come in throwing a superiority complex around alongside insults while flat out ignoring on panel evidence and what does the evidence say? That there's literally HUNDREDS of fights where Thor's speed isn't portrayed at the level you think it should be at. A look at the overwhelming majority of his career actually takes those into account as well instead of ignoring them for the convenience of your argument.
Though I'll admit, on KMC at least it IS pretty common to think ANY thread with a super strong character versus a character who isn't as strong is spite. 😐
Originally posted by Bentley
Going by elements like duking it out with bricks, Wolverine is slower than Wonderman.
But Wolverine HAS quantifiable speed feats elsewhere. not just a simple evade or deflect feat, entirebattles taking place at a speed far faster than the majority of thors (what little there is) super speed combat situations.
Originally posted by Bentley
Going by elements like duking it out with bricks, Wolverine is slower than Wonderman.
That's not really something to be ashamed of. WM's on the top of the totem pole when it comes to bricks and speed.
You should check out his old series, the guy would rarely take a hit in a fight.
Though it should be considered that one fight with WM was when Wolverine got blitzed from a sneak attack.
The second fight they both landed offensive strikes, Wolverine's just wasn't very damaging on WM's Ionic body. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
Omega Red can tank Colossus punches with a literal smile on his face and he has a healing factor. He isn't being one shot.Gorgon.. maybe but again with how fast his healing factor works it's unlikely.
Thor MANAGING to tag people with superspeed WHO AREN'T using it, isn't some great testiment to Thor's superb combat speed, ESPECIALLY when his combat speed is CONSTANTLY shown to be just a little bit superior to the average Marvel brick.
These threads actually have a tendancy to get closed because people with your attitude like to come in throwing a superiority complex around alongside insults while flat out ignoring on panel evidence and what does the evidence say? That there's literally HUNDREDS of fights where Thor's speed isn't portrayed at the level you think it should be at. A look at the overwhelming majority of his career actually takes those into account as well instead of ignoring them for the convenience of your argument.
Though I'll admit, on KMC at least it IS pretty common to think ANY thread with a super strong character versus a character who isn't as strong is spite. 😐
Yeah, hate to break it to you, but taking Colossus' low-end Class 100 blows is nothing like taking a Mjolnir strike or hammer toss. Comparing the two is absurd. No one with knowledge of either would compare Colossus' metal fist to Thor and Mjolnir.
Unless Gorgon has a huge durability and healing factor advantage to make up from getting absolutely wrecked by Mjolnir up close or at range, there's no reason to believe he won't be one shot based on who Thor has crushed with the damn thing.
People with my attitude? Lol, please. More like these threads attract the same group of people who believe only WWH level strength can knock out Logan, Logan is just as much a god as people like Thor and Hercules, and people who generally equate Wolverine to people in this thread when he's not even explicitly involved. Said people then turn a blind eye to the wealth of proof offered to them and place various stipulations on scans to further discredit them. "Oh, well, he didn't move like Wolverine did in this scan, so it means jack". Funny thing is, no one is discrediting Logan - again not in this thread - or OR or Gorgon's speed. Yet, you and others turn your nose up at Thor and his various abilities, skill, power, etc because "he's not Wolverine/Wolverine rogues".
It's not even subtle anymore.
And lol at pulling "on KMC-" Why? Because people don't see Wolverine and think he's a god on these forums? It's not spite because Thor's strong and they aren't. It's spite because he's fast enough to tag him with Mjolnir or a thrown Mjolnir and either outright knock them out or stagger them enough to hit them again to outright knock them out. Pretending otherwise is farcical.
Regardless of all these speed, discussions, hhor being allowed to throw the hammer is the killer. Assuming they start on opposite ends of the stadium or at leadt with some form of distance separating them this fight is a no contest. Thor throws the hammer once, it homes in on both of them at hits them way fastier than they can dodge. Fights over. Even if omega red manages to survive the first hit, he will be in no shape to dodge a second one. (gorgon would be koed by the first one of course) As Leo said, if he wasn't allowed to throw the hammer, it would be a lot closer.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Regardless of all these speed, discussions, hhor being allowed to throw the hammer is the killer. Assuming they start on opposite ends of the stadium or at leadt with some form of distance separating them this fight is a no contest. Thor throws the hammer once, it homes in on both of them at hits them way fastier than they can dodge. Fights over. As Leo said, if he wasn't allowed to throw the hammer, it would be a lot closer
Even if the initial throw misses - which is unlikely - the return path will wind up barreling through them. Not to mention if Mjolnir connects with pure adamantium with the titanic force Thor employs when using it, the shockwave/reverberations will be intense. And that's assuming Mjolnir is just thrown in a straight path when it has showings of going in multiple directions, ricocheting, weaving, moving in a circle, etc.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, hate to break it to you, but taking Colossus' low-end Class 100 blows is nothing like taking a Mjolnir strike or hammer toss. Comparing the two is absurd. No one with knowledge of either would compare Colossus' metal fist to Thor and Mjolnir.Unless Gorgon has a huge durability and healing factor advantage to make up from getting absolutely wrecked by Mjolnir up close or at range, there's no reason to believe he won't be one shot based on who Thor has crushed with the damn thing.
Deadpool's taken a Thor beating.
Not saying these two can just sit and take Mjolnir's best shots all day, or that they can take one shot swelled up with magic... but yeah typically Thor isn't likely to one shot either of these two.
Though, that's more speculation concerning Gorgon.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
People with my attitude? Lol, please. More like these threads attract the same group of people who believe only WWH level strength can knock out Logan, Logan is just as much a god as people like Thor and Hercules, and people who generally equate Wolverine to people in this thread when he's not even explicitly involved. Said people then turn a blind eye to the wealth of proof offered to them and place various stipulations on scans to further discredit them. "Oh, well, he didn't move like Wolverine did in this scan, so it means jack". Funny thing is, no one is discrediting Logan - again not in this thread - or OR or Gorgon's speed. Yet, you and others turn your nose up at Thor and his various abilities, skill, power, etc because "he's not Wolverine/Wolverine rogues".It's not even subtle anymore.
And lol at pulling "on KMC-" Why? Because people don't see Wolverine and think he's a god on these forums? It's not spite because Thor's strong and they aren't. It's spite because he's fast enough to tag him with Mjolnir or a thrown Mjolnir and either outright knock them out or stagger them enough to hit them again to outright knock them out. Pretending otherwise is farcical.
You wanted to take a guess at why these threads get closed down, it's not because of spite, it's because of personal hostilities... some of which you obviously just displayed. lol
Also, no, "Teh stronger guy wins" is practically a staple around here. It's something TONS of posters defect to because their vision is too narrow to account for anything aside from the most obvious advantages, and this has little to do with Wolverine, it's not exclusive to his threads.
Thor being able to hit Gorgon with a throw is relatively unlikely due to Gorgon's TP. Thor being able to hit OR is more likely to land, but less likely to put him down, and any attention on one opponent will obviously reduce attention on the other. The speed at which Gorgon fights, and at which OR's tenticals move means this is likely a precarious situation that Thor can't afford to get into.
You're assertions are only farcical if you're shortsiding the duo or lowballing them to a ridiculous degree while opting to pretend Thor has advantages in this fight that he's doesn't.
A typically written Thor is not likely winning a fight with a typically written Gorgon and OR in a strict melee.