Originally posted by Silent MasterTrue they are ranged attacks. but there would be some exception to say... a chameleon using it's tongue.
I can connect a hangun to my hand, that doesn't make it a melee weapon.They allow him to attack from outside HTH range, that makes them ranged weapons.
I'd say leave everything in except for weather control and flight. Otherwise make a new thread that is more specific.
Originally posted by Silent Masterif you use a gun to hit someone, its melee
I can connect a hangun to my hand, that doesn't make it a melee weapon.They allow him to attack from outside HTH range, that makes them ranged weapons.
if I use a long spear to smash someone, its a melee
if I throw the spear, then its range
Originally posted by Silent Master
But the point stands, they allow him to attack outside of HTH range, that makes them ranged weapons.
lol so where does that logic end?
Can Thor only wing Mjolnir with a bent arm so it doesn't go past his natural reach?
Is Gorgon's sword also a ranged weapon since it elongates his reach as well?
Originally posted by srankmissingninActually it could be either. Scorpion firing his spear is a ranged attack just like Sub Zero's attack is. I see what you are saying, but it is best to be more specific.
The fact that this blatantly obvious statement needed to be made is a scathing indictment on humanity. 🙁
Originally posted by jinzin
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Perhaps you could provide us with the ages worth of examples that have him able to contend with faster people than Wolverine based on melee performance alone.IMO people still have a hard time seperating traveling speed and fighting speed and how those types of speed are distinct from one another.
I can find you a number of examples of Thor toe to toeing it with Hulk, trading blows, and trading blows...and trading...blows.. 😕
There's multiple examples of Thor toe to toeing it with bricks like Absorbing Man, Wrecker, Hercules. TONS of guys who are not particularly known for massive feats of speed even times when such an advantage would be necessity to avoid defeat as with Desak, or Crusader where a speed advantage would be crucial.
There's tons of humiliating showings where Thor's speed looks fairly commonplace or unexeptional compared to streets like Spidey, Cap, Wolverine.
Him being basically at his wits end with Mongoose who literally ran circles around him or arguably blitzed by Gladiator.
We could continue these examples in spades, how about the number of fights he's had with Destroyer where again this supposed speed of his would be paramount, when he was toppled and humiliated by Spiderbot, when Ghost Rider took him by surprise by catching a ride on his hammer and kicking him on the roundabout?
Pretty much the whole first act of Siege where he got blitzed by Sentry, and IP was Teeing off on him.
Even while taking out thugs in his current runs he just sits back letting the hammer do all the work.
His entire career is completely littered with examples that show his combat speed as being nothing particularly special.
Everytime anyone asks for examples of him actually fighting at super speeds the examples we get are abysmal in return. An example of him reacting to Surfer flying at him in a straight line, an example of him reacting to IM flying at him in a straight line, an example of him reacting to a TK blast. Ignoring the fact that all of these examples are single strike/block reaction feats almost NONE of them are quantifiable and yet we have people comfortable enough to claim FTL reflexes or some-such for plenty of them even though FTL is never established or suggested.
Thor has on panel statements of being impressed, or at a loss for the speed of others.
These parties are inclusive of people like Balder, Wolverine, and Spidey where Thor has flat out admitted his inferiority against people who ARE well known for their combat speed, who have combat speed feats, who are constantly referenced in regards to their speed.Why do we need to ignore the wealth of Thor's career just to throw him a bone and give him an advantage in this fight he doesn't actually have?
You think otherwise? Then please provide this wealth evidence.
Though I can assure you that it will be difficult to do seeing as it doesn't likely exist.Bottem line, if you're of the opinion that Thor fights faster than Wolverine, that's likely an opinion that's the result of cherry picking a minority of showings (most of which are ambiguous, unquantifiable, or unimpressive to begin with) in favor of his entire career which contradicts them to a larger degree.
Thor has stated his combat speed is slower than Wolverine on panel, and there's a wealth of evidence to support as much.
Gorgon being faster than Thor, when Gorgon's faster than Wolverine isn't much of a stretch if it is one at all.
Oh for **** sake. facepalm I'm not sure if I'm going to even read all that.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh for **** sake. facepalm I'm not sure if I'm going to even read all that.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh for **** sake. facepalm I'm not sure if I'm going to even read all that.
You want the Cliffnotes version?
Thor has no combat speed feats that suggest he posses greater than peak human or at best slightly superhuman speed. All his significant speed feats are flight or hammer tossing feats which have no baring on his combat speed or reflexes. He spends most of his time going shot for shot with low speed, low skill bruisers. Thor possessing FTL reflexes / combat speed isn't accurate and despite claims other wise Thor has never once demonstrated that level of speed on panel.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You want the Cliffnotes version?Thor has no combat speed feats that suggest he posses greater than peak human or at best slightly superhuman speed. All his significant speed feats are flight or hammer tossing feats which have no baring on his combat speed or reflexes. He spends most of his time going shot for shot with low speed, low skill bruisers. Thor possessing FTL reflexes / combat speed isn't accurate and despite claims other wise Thor has never once demonstrated that level of speed on panel.
and Omega Red can drain Odin.
Originally posted by Silent Masterthis is poor logic
Generally speaking, if someone is close enough to hit you with a sword, they'd be close enough to be hit with a war-hammer, so I'd call that a wash.The tentacles however would put one person well outside the range of the other person's weapons, which to me would make it a ranged weapon.
so if someone uses a sword and I'm using a short dagger, than the sword is considered a range weapon?
Originally posted by Starscream M
this is poor logicso if someone uses a sword and I'm using a short dagger, than the sword is considered a range weapon?
Seems that someone has never heard of parrying daggers or a main gauche.
Using a swords still puts you in range of other weapons, the tentacles however would put one person well outside the range of the other person's weapons.