Originally posted by JakeTheBankwolverine vs thor is applicable because wolverine is a similar fighter to gorgon, albeit inferior in every possible way. so if wolverine gave thor trouble, then we can infer how gorgon performs against thor.
Lol @ using Wolverine vs. Thor to "support" most of the argument here in favor of OR and Gorgon...And ignoring Wolverine vs. Thor in its entirety. 😐
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolervine wasn't shown as faster than Thor in melee combat.
Sure he was. Not only did the writer of their fight say that Wolverine had the advantage in speed, but Wolverine was also shown dodging Thor's blows, landing his own, and, even after Thor grabbed Wolverine while he was in mid-leap, Wolverine's next comment was that Thor had traded in his (Sabretooth's) speed for strength. The writer stated Wolverine was faster, Wolverine commented on Thor's lack of speed, and Thor said Wolverine was faster. The fact is, Wolverine dodged the majority of Thor's blows, Thor failed to do the same, and the only blows Thor landed in the fight came when Wolverine's speed was neutralized, but whatever:
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolervine wasn't shown as faster than Thor in melee combat.
Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine vs thor is applicable because wolverine is a similar fighter to gorgon, albeit inferior in every possible way. so if wolverine gave thor trouble, then we can infer how gorgon performs against thor.
Yeah, you're right it is applicable...
Just not only for the parts that support Logan being > Thor. I like how we take Thor's comment at face value considering Wolverine's speed and immediately assume that no matter what, Logan is just too damn fast for Thor to do anything about...even though in that same comic, Thor grabbed Logan and tossed him away. We assume that Logan could one shot Thor and "easily" carve him up...even though the comic supporting a blood lusted Wolverine only getting superficial injuries on Thor for the most part. We assume that Wolverine could evade Thor's fiercest blows based on Thor's comment...until Thor actually hits him.
While at the same time, we have people picking and choosing every feat that supports Wolverine/Gorgon/Omega Red (as all their feats are interchangeable, after all) while ignoring all of Thor's feats at best and projecting them all onto Mjolnir's powers at worse. Not to mention some severe misrepresentation on some of those feats to begin with. I could really give a damn if someone's favorite character is Wolverine or think he's really the best there is. But for God's sake, he's not even in this thread and yet this conversation is almost exclusively about him because the other threads were closed for spite against Logan to begin with.
Seriously, those 8 steps Silent Master posed is pretty much exactly what's been happening from beginning of the thread.
jake, you're standing on this ice with your poor arguments
thor himself noted that logan is faster than him. not me, jinzin, battlehammer, or srank. THOR said that. Is thor an idiot?
yes thor later grabs logan. thats the nature of comics. Superman and flash have been grabbed by opponents who are obviously slower as well. Welcome to the comic business.
Also, in the end, thor had to resort to lightning to stop Logan iirc. Here he doesn't have that you have to remember.
Gorgon has already beaten a god...so he has a strong case. and he didn't even have an unbreakable sword.
Originally posted by Ize19
Sure he was. Not only did the writer of their fight say that Wolverine had the advantage in speed, but Wolverine was also shown dodging Thor's blows, landing his own, and, even after Thor grabbed Wolverine while he was in mid-leap, Wolverine's next comment was that Thor had traded in his (Sabretooth's) speed for strength. The writer stated Wolverine was faster, Wolverine commented on Thor's lack of speed, and Thor said Wolverine was faster. The fact is, Wolverine dodged the majority of Thor's blows, Thor failed to do the same, and the only blows Thor landed in the fight came when Wolverine's speed was neutralized, but whatever:
The writer had Thor hit and catch Logan, please stop basing your entire argument on a statement that is disproven by the fight itself.
Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, you're standing on this ice with your poor argumentsthor himself noted that logan is faster than him. not me, jinzin, battlehammer, or srank. THOR said that. Is thor an idiot?
yes thor later grabs logan. thats the nature of comics. Superman and flash have been grabbed by opponents who are obviously slower as well. Welcome to the comic business.
Also, in the end, thor had to resort to lightning to stop Logan iirc. Here he doesn't have that you have to remember.
Gorgon has already beaten a god...so he has a strong case. and he didn't even have an unbreakable sword.
How so?
He didn't finish his sentence as evidenced by the "--" after his last words. In comics (or most forms of writing in general), that designates a pause or being cut off. We don't know how Thor was going to finish the statement in question. Assuming he was going to say he's faster than he could ever hope to overcome, he still managed to tag him. And statements =/= honest to god truth in comics. Hell, it's been one of your own arguments in other threads.
Oh, so when he does grab him, it's the "nature" of comics. Well, I guess the nature of comics is that Thor's fast enough to grab Logan if he wants to. You can't have it both ways.
Thor used a mild lightning bolt on Wolverine unless you really think that was everything Thor had. In which case, you're grossly mistaken. A solid shot from a class 100+ being wielding a hammer which exponentially increases his striking power is going to either one shot Gorgon and OR or at the very least cripple them beyond all recognition. Assuming they won't be tagged period is asinine. And assuming they can beat Thor before he hits them is even worse.
Yeah, and according to you, "the title of being a god doesn't mean shit." Phobos =/= Thor.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolervine wasn't shown as faster than Thor in melee combat.
Aside from jumping on Thor's back, Wolverine hit Thor four times on panel, (two connecting, and two were blocked with Mjolnir) and at least once off panel (none of the blows shown landing would correspond with the damage on Thor's side). Wolverine was seen dodging one of Thor's attacks on panel on with narration referring to multiple blows (plural), and then he was mentioned to dodging more attacks after that. So Wolverine avoided at least three attacks, and landed at least three attacks, and two more which Thor managed to block. Other than throwing Wolverine - which happened after the stand up exchange where Thor was unable to land a single blow - Thor only managed landed one melee hit on Wolverine in the fight, and that was during flight when Wolverine would have been unable to dodge at all. Wolverine was clearly depicted as being faster than Thor... and Wolverine was mind-controlled during this exchange, and therefor opperating at diminished capacity.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thanks for proving that Wolverine wasn't faster than Thor.After all, if he was both faster and more skilled, Thor wouldn't have been able to hit, grab or block Wolverine and yet he did all three.
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I guess Batman isn't faster than Killer Croc. dur
If you are in a fight with someone and they dodge three of your attacks, while in the same time frame throw five attacks, three of which you are unable to block and connect.... and they aren't faster than you because eventually you managed to grab a leg? Please.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Your point notwithstanding, Killer Croc doesn't swat Batman down ignominiously while receiving superficial damage in return (nor does Killer Croc regularly deal with speedsters/superspeedsters for that matter).So your analogy is useless.
IIRC, Killer croc has also been stated to have superhuman speed and agility.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Your point notwithstanding, Killer Croc doesn't swat Batman down ignominiously while receiving superficial damage in return (nor does Killer Croc regularly deal with speedsters/superspeedsters for that matter).So your analogy is useless.
Aaaaaaand Killer Croc doesn't only narrowly managed to tag Batman once because Batman can't fly and is unable to avoid the assault.
Also Thor doesn't regularly deal with speedsters either. You've come up with half a dozen examples in 50+ years, the majority of which aren't even pertinent to a fight.
Now I have to go and work out. Try your best to come up with a coherent argument while I'm gone. 😎
^ Kiler Croc doesn't block Batman's sneak attacks. Killer Croc doesn't try to talk reason wth Batman while doing so. Killer Croc doesn't grab Batman's ankle and midget toss him and hold back. Killer Croc doesn't perform better when he loses his patience. Killer Croc does not connect with his blows when placed in a far worse fighting position (opponent is on your back).
Thor has dealt with more speedsters and superspeedsters than Gorgon has, much less Wolverine. Whether it's straight blitz or a keep away speedster. So cry more about not only offering semantic nonsense but being completely and utterly destroyed concerning actual evidence.
Then again, how clearly that comes across to you is suspect. You can't even see that Thor dealt with Wolverine with two shots once he lost his patience and that Wolverine (the best hacker-slasher in comics) only managed to kitty-scratch Thor.
A character with fewer speed feats than even Thor has, with inferior piercing capability than Wolverine, isn't taking down Thor. Cry more.
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!What is really discussed is that you acknowledge that Thor deals with Gorgon's abilities (since you believe he wins the majority).
damn you are as dense as a brick wall.... on a second thought i think even a brick wall would get it by now that in this particular thread my overall opinion is not the point that is being discussed here , what is really discussed here is how is thor going to bypass all those abilities gorgon has which i challenged you to prove and you didnt its as simple as thatto tell the truth i dont get it why are you even trying to argue that thor was able to grab wolverine is some kind of feat to put up against gorgon because wolverine proved to be faster than thor and i mean not to the point wolverine just blitzed him but to the point he landed couple shots before thor could, now the thing is that gorgon is faster than wolverine so even by proving thor can match wolverine in fighting speed ( which he cant really) is miles away from proving thor is even in gorgons league to begin with
cry some more
You either talked out of your a$$ (and don't know "jack"😉, or you realize the truth but still feel entitled to demand people make your own arguments (and have got "sh1t"😉.
So thanks for trolling.
Gorgon's best speed feat, Thor's matched multiple times. More ironic, it's a speed feat that's been replicated by Thor so many times, you nunces keep trying to find ways to arbitrarily dismiss those Thor feats, e.g., the speedster wasn't really effectively using their speed and just blitzed in a single line. Like that isn't exactly what Yo-Yo did when she tried to attack Gorgon?
This thread stinks of desperation and ironic self sabotage. And you stink of self-loathing for not being able to offer up anything more than, "I know Thor wins the majority. But you won't tell me why. So somehow, you're wrong." Good job contributing "jack" and "sh1t."
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor is to Wolverine...as Killer Croc is to Batman?I don't think I'm drunk enough yet to understand this train of thought. BRB.
Killer Croc has tagged Batman, but Batman is still faster than Killer Croc. Simple. Being able to land a hit, doesn't mean there isn't a disparity in speed, just that the disparity isn't insurmountable.