Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wonderman ambushed Wolverine... and even after his onslaught, Wolverine wasn't even koed. Ionic Wonderman briefly dropped Wolverine in Avengers with on shot... but he did the same thing to Thor right before hand, and more recently Wolverine shrugged off a pissed of Wonderman's assault in Children's Crusade.
He had bubbles around his head.
BTW, post the scan of Wolverine shrugging off an assualt from Simon.
It is quite interesting that its okay to ignore the showings where Wolverine has been effected by street or meta level attacks because he's taken shots from Heralds yet the same person insists on throwing out any showing of Deathstroke doing good against Heralds because he has instances where he has trouble with streets and metas.
Very interesting indeed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It is quite interesting that its okay to ignore the showings where Wolverine has been effected by street or meta level attacks because he's taken shots from Heralds yet the same person insists on throwing out any showing of Deathstroke doing good against Heralds because he has instances where he has trouble with streets and metas.Very interesting indeed.
Are you surprised?
Slade has a really shitty rep here for some reason. 😬
Originally posted by srankmissingninNice excuse. Fine, Tieri Thor means sh1t to this conversation since we get to pick and choose which writers we like and dislike. Good job poisoning the well.
What does Daniel Wayverine have to do with this thread? We are talking about Wolverine.
Otherwise, Thor needs to hit him as hard as hard as Cap Jr. hits him:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nothing he says matters when his own actions prove him wrong. In this case, Thor has swung fiercer blows. In this case, Wolverine wasn't too fast for Thor to tag. Facts > purple prose. Even Thor's purple prose.
What was shown is that Wolverine is faster, and able to tag Thor at least three times before Thor is able to return a blow. After being hit several times Thor managed to grab an ankle and toss Wolverine, he never showed the ability to hit Wolverine in a melee exchange. Why has Thor "swung fiercer blows," because he was unable to hurt Wolverine? Not good enough. You can't just arbitrarily decided Thor was holding back for no reason, when he was stated not to have been.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Shove your red herring "diminished capacity" crap. Wolverine was going for the kill and not holding back. Nobody was controlling how he fought lik a puppeteer. He fought as hard as if he were fighting Sabretooth. And all he managed to do was kitty-scratch Thor, drain his patience and get two-shotted into eating dirt, smoking a$$-up, with a "uhhh..." as Thor relents in his attacks. [b]The only one operating at a diminished capacity was Thor, who wasn't trying to kick the sh1t out of Wolverine up until the point he actually did kick the sh1t out of Wolverine on-panel.[/B]
It's not a red herring, it is pretty much forum doctrine. Mind-control is a plot device, mind-control characters always operate at diminished capacity, examples of a character being victorious over a mind-controlled character aren't considered to be accurate depictions of characters operating at peak efficiency. You've been on the forum a long time, you don't need me to tell you thinks you already know.
Again, Wolverine was never unconscious or incapacitated, so he wasn't two-shotted. Thor hit Wolverine with the best he could muster, and all he could do was break the mind-control. Wolverine was fine, Thor was injured. That's how the fight ended.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your analogy is retarded. It only shows the depths you've deluded yourself. Killer Croc ain't Thor. He ain't got Thor's combat experience, speed feats or power. Granting all your absurd semantic horsecrap full faith and credit, Wolverine's "superior" agility permitted him to kitty-scratch Thor menially and then get two shotted.
The difference in strength and skill, between Thor and Croc is irrelevant, the comparison was only to illustrate that a slower character can tag a faster character. Wolverine tagged Thor several times, and dodged several of his attacks before Thor managed to land an attack, ergo Wolverine was depicted as being faster. The law of averages says Thor would hit him eventually... that doesn't change the fact that Wolverine was faster than him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It is quite interesting that its okay to ignore the showings where Wolverine has been effected by street or meta level attacks because he's taken shots from Heralds yet the same person insists on throwing out any showing of Deathstroke doing good against Heralds because he has instances where he has trouble with streets and metas.Very interesting indeed.
Because there is a difference between ignoring out the majority of a character's appearances in favor of the minority, and ignoring the minority in favor for the vast majority. Wolverine has fought Hulk more times than he has fought Punisher, Cap, Daredevil and Shang-Chi combined... and Hulk isn't the only Class 100 brick he's thrown down with regularly. The distinction is pretty clear.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because there is a difference between ignoring out the majority of a character's appearances in favor of the minority, and ignoring the minority in favor for the vast majority. Wolverine has fought Hulk more times than he has fought Punisher, Cap, Daredevil and Shang-Chi combined... and Hulk isn't the only Class 100 brick he's thrown down with regularly. The distinction is pretty clear.
Given Slade's history as a foe of the Teen Titans and Justice League the instances where he does well against Mid-High Metas and up are about as numerous and consistent as the instances where he deals with streets on their own level.
Your double standards are ****ing horrible.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nice excuse. Fine, Tieri Thor means sh1t to this conversation since we get to pick and choose which writers we like and dislike. Good job poisoning the well.Otherwise, Thor needs to hit him as hard as hard as Cap Jr. hits him:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Bah, y'know what. Tieri is fine. I'll permit the double-standard here (little issue with Tieri Thor tbh anyway). That way, I can say this:Otherwise, Thor needs to hit him as hard as Mister X hits him (written by Tieri):
Do you really want to go down the road of PIS low balling, when Thor has examples of not even being bullet proof? Is that the road you'd like to go down? Let me know.
Srank, c'mon.
You can't honestly believe that while Thor is able to harm beings far more durable and resilient than Wolverine, his fiercest blows somehow don't do anything to him aside from jar him? Either Thor's comments were wrong - he's been wrong plenty of times before - and what he hit Logan with was a far cry from his upper limit or it was massive and unabashed PIS.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No its not.Given Slade's history as a foe of the Teen Titans and Justice League the instances where he does well against Mid-High Metas and up are about as numerous and consistent as the instances where he deals with streets on their own level.
Your double standards are ****ing horrible.
Yes, I'm afraid it is.
Has Slade fought the Titans and JLA? Yes, but don't delude yourself into think that is what he does the majority of the time. Most of his fights with the Titans evolve prep, he usually only takes on a few of them at a time, and he rarely wins. His first definitive win over the Titans, was the crappy Titans v2 roster. Most of Slade's appearances are him dealing with streets like Chesire, Arsenal, Deadshot Nightwing, Vigilante, Puma, or mooks like the Chain Gang.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah, a character would get tagged when he's trying to talk sense and pontificate to a lesser being. Thor was swift enough to grab Wolverine's ankle and toss him in addition to clocking him while he was on his back. I can look to the vast majority of Thor's appearances and know Thor was holding back. Don't act like Thor doesn't sh1t on street levels and metas. He sh1ts on heralds when he doesn't hold back.
What was shown is that Wolverine is faster, and able to tag Thor at least three times before Thor is able to return a blow. After being hit several times Thor managed to grab an ankle and toss Wolverine, he never showed the ability to hit Wolverine in a melee exchange. Why has Thor "swung fiercer blows," because he was unable to hurt Wolverine? Not good enough. You can't just arbitrarily decided Thor was holding back for no reason, when he was stated not to have been.
Originally posted by srankmissingninRed herring is red herring. Wolverine enjoyed the freedom of having no reason to hold back. His efficiency was enhanced here. Loki did not control Wolverine's actions or fighting style. That was all Wolverine. And it worked up until the point he got two-shotted. I've been on the forum long enough to know that the "mind control" card gets pulled so often, few people know why it was an issue in the first place.
It's not a red herring, it is pretty much forum doctrine. Mind-control is a plot device, mind-control characters always operate at diminished capacity, examples of a character being victorious over a mind-controlled character aren't considered to be accurate depictions of characters operating at peak efficiency. You've been on the forum a long time, you don't need me to tell you thinks you already know.Again, Wolverine was never unconscious or incapacitated, so he wasn't two-shotted. Thor hit Wolverine with the best he could muster, and all he could do was break the mind-control. Wolverine was fine, Thor was injured. That's how the fight ended.
Two-shotted into a position where he's eating dirt, going "uhhh..." such that Thor relented his attacks instead of just ramming Wolverine through the Earth itself is being two-shotted. Wolverine has no chance. Wolverine was fine after being permitted to recover and the grace of Thor.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThe difference in strength, durability, speed, combat skills, power, endurance, and just about every other advantage imaginable makes your comparison idiocy.
The difference in strength and skill, between Thor and Croc is irrelevant, the comparison was only to illustrate that a slower character can tag a faster character. Wolverine tagged Thor several times, and dodged several of his attacks before Thor managed to land an attack, ergo Wolverine was depicted as being faster. The law of averages says Thor would hit him eventually... that doesn't change the fact that Wolverine was faster than him.
Wolverine's "superior" agility permitted him to kitty-scratch Thor menially and get two-shotted into eating gravel. Granting your absurd analogy credit means nothing in the end.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAwww..... no more Wayverine excuses? Good. Plenty more. And ironically, the one time Thor got knocked out by a bullet to the dome, the comic actually shows that the bullet barely penetrated (and definitely never penetrated his skull). It was the impact that shocked him and knocked him out. So go for it.
Do you really want to go down the road of PIS low balling, when Thor has examples of not even being bullet proof? Is that the road you'd like to go down? Let me know.
Otherwise, Thor needs to hit Wolverine as hard as Roughhouse did:
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Srank, c'mon.You can't honestly believe that while Thor is able to harm beings far more durable and resilient than Wolverine, his fiercest blows somehow don't do anything to him aside from jar him? Either Thor's comments were wrong - he's been wrong plenty of times before - and what he hit Logan with was a far cry from his upper limit or it was massive and unabashed PIS.
In all likeliness both of Thor's attacks technically would have killed Wolverine. Massive organ damage, sever rupturing and internal bleeding... but Wolverine heals, that's what he does. Apocylpse once said Wolverine could fight the Hulk for an eternity, Hulk said the same thing. Wolverine's durability is inconsequential, it is so close to base line human relative to someone like Thor that it doesn't even factor in. It's his healing factor that matters, and one hit isn't enough to tax it, no matter who is hitting him. Anyone at Spider-man level strength should technically be killing him with every attack.... his healing factor just starts the factor running again right quick.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, I'm afraid it is.Has Slade fought the Titans and JLA? Yes, but don't delude yourself into think that is what he does the majority of the time. Most of his fights with the Titans evolve prep, he usually only takes on a few of them at a time, and he rarely wins. His first definitive win over the Titans, was the crappy Titans v2 roster. Most of Slade's appearances are him dealing with streets like Chesire, Arsenal, Deadshot Nightwing, Vigilante, Puma, or mooks like the Chain Gang.
He had no prep when he gave Aquaman and Hal Jordan fits.
He had no prep when he fought Donna Troy as Dark Star.
He fights streets a lot, sure, but what you leave out is that 90% of his fights with streets like Nightwing have been victories for a Slade who isn't even going all out.
But see you're proving my point by applying a double standard to Deathstroke while maintaining that Logan should be able to do well against Top Tiers when much less has damaged and put him down.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In all likeliness both of Thor's attacks technically would have killed Wolverine. Massive organ damage, sever rupturing and internal bleeding... but Wolverine heals, that's what he does. Apocylpse once said Wolverine could fight the Hulk for an eternity, Hulk said the same thing. Wolverine's durability is inconsequential, it is so close to base line human relative to someone like Thor that it doesn't even factor in. It's his healing factor that matters, and one hit isn't enough to tax it, no matter who is hitting him.
So, Thanos w/IG couldn't tax Wolverine's healing factor with a hit?
