Originally posted by carver9Correct. He cheapshotted Rulk while in the middle of a fight with someone else and didn't let up. Hardly a fair one on one fight.
Thor f***** up a Rulk that just landed from the moon to earth head first and then after this fall got straight up and fought Hulk. Before this drop he took a direct hit across the face with Thor hammer along with another hit right after this.Rulk wasn't 100% buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
He is completely immune to magic... of course Mordu can't hurt him but again, a GL has hurt him, Conner has hurt him, hell, even Batman gadgets has hurt him. Wondergirl did good against him and actually survived his attacks and the list goes on. He was even temporarily koed from a small Nuke from Monarch.
Which GL? Ion? He just pissed him off. Conner surprised him, he didn't do any real damage. Wondergirl did nothing.
And Monarch? Seriously? The guy who's above skyfather in power is somehow a low showing?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Which GL? Ion? He just pissed him off. Conner surprised him, he didn't do any real damage. Wondergirl did nothing.And Monarch? Seriously? The guy who's above skyfather in power is somehow a low showing?
It was Kyle that made him scream out in pain from a standard blast.
Ion wasn't anything special in that arc. I could see Thor doing the same thing to THAT version of Ion. Ion was basically learning about his abilities during his fight against Prime. Nothing impressive.
Wonder Girl didn't do much but Superboy sure did.
The thing about the Monarch and Prime fight waaaasss, it was pretty obvious Monarch was holding back TREMENDOUSLY against Prime. Look at his fight in the arena... or look at the type of blast he used to destroy an entire continent. He didn't use a fraction of his power and if he did, Prime would never have damaged that containment suit. He shot Prime with a simple Nuke and koed him... if he used the power that he used a couple of issues back, Prime probably would have died.
By looking at that fight, Prime was on the loosing end.
By the way, Monarch isn't above skyfather let alone Odin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you not realize the context within the scene and why this doesn't apply to anyone else ?
Exactly. Its pretty obvious that whatever happened at the end of Legion of 3 Worlds between Prime and the Time Trapper reflected the fact that they were more or less the same person rather than anything to do with how hard Prime hit him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
On their own? Besides Conner I can't think of anyone below High Herald who on their own gave Prime any kind of real fight.And Conner died in that fight.
Connor fought him again in Legion of Three Worlds and did just as well if not better. More or less stalemated him IIRC. Kid Flash made him look pretty stupid also.
Prime has his not so great showings.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Connor fought him again in Legion of Three Worlds and did just as well if not better. More or less stalemated him IIRC. Kid Flash made him look pretty stupid also.Prime has his not so great showings.
And that is why I say that people like Supes, Hulk, and Thor would give him hell... ESPECIALLY Hulk since Prime is a character that likes to go physical 95% of the time.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Flash? Oh come on. He's got a phobia against them. Of course Bart will do well. He still tooled the LOSH.
The phobia doesnt leave him crying in the corner helplessly. He still tried to take him out and looked kinda silly. A lot of Legion of Three Worlds had Prime looking pretty ordinary compared to how most like to pitch him on battleboards: restrained from behind by Supes, stalemated by Conner, Kid Flash...
He has some great feats and he is obviously and undeniably above top tier but many of his portayals show him as someone who is probably about twice Supermans strength when he matches up with someone and its not like he kills top tiers in one punch.
His heat vision has always looked good however...
It seems that every time there is a thread with Prime in it, people like to lowball. Prime will be wiping green stains off of his boots by the end of this fight, which will not last long. He will be the only one standing.
As far as heralds he has run through? Read LO3W, Sinestro corps and every other appearance he has appeared in. To name a few, Kal-El, Kal-L, Ion, Wonderwoman, Hal, etc... he's a team buster. Thats what he does and has done in every comic he has ever appeared in after COIE.
As far as Bart taking care of him? So what. I explained it in another thread:
Originally posted by Sirius77
Another thing, Bart was amped or had help in pretty much every instance that he's faced Prime. When he sf dumped Prime, he had help from Wally, Jay and Max Mercury, and Barry even came back from the grave to help too lol. In the second fight between he and Bart, everyone always leaves out the part where Bart had [B]absorbed the entire speed force in order to even catch him. So needless to say, Bart was VERY amped when he bled Prime. Notice how prior to that Bart's punches never drew blood. He was also amped in LO3W.In this scan he says: "I've never felt so fast Jenni. Like there's some huge surge in the speed force." His cousin XS (Jenni) even agrees and replies: "I feel it too Bart! What do you think it means?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/iceman2456/Picture030.jpg
(EDIT: Credit to iceman for the scan, I got it from another thread, I don't have my original comp with me and my scans are on that one, and it's at my dorm .)
So yeah, again, Bart was either horribly amped or had a calvary of Flashes with him in every fight he has ever been in with Prime. So it isn't PIS. It isn't a low showing. There has never been an instance in which one unamped Flash has taken on and beaten Prime in single combat. In the majority of these instances, Prime was more or less fighting the entire speed force. So is it a low feat? Never.
It's not a fair calculation to take solely PIS instances to ascertain a character's durability. [/B]
Originally posted by Fifthchild
The phobia doesnt leave him crying in the corner helplessly. He still tried to take him out and looked kinda silly. A lot of Legion of Three Worlds had Prime looking pretty ordinary compared to how most like to pitch him on battleboards: restrained from behind by Supes, stalemated by Conner, Kid Flash...
How did he look ordinary? He was most of the time taking on every heavy hitter in the legion at once, while often times weakened. He was restrained by supes because he was conversing with him. He proved that he could get out at any point.
Also, let's not forget that in Sinestro Corps, while solar starved under a red sun for a year iirc, and weakened by red stars red solar radiation, and deprived of his solar suit (the only thing feeding him power), it took the JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, and others to even restrain him. Even then, the moment a ray of sunlight hit his hand, he broke out like they were nothing, then took on Ion and almost killed him while laughing. So I think that superman's restraining of Prime in LO3W was one of two things. PIS or a choice on Prime's part. Going on previous showings those are the only ones that would make sense.
Oh, and Conner, I guess they like to wank the character. He's obviously not even Superman level. I see conner as DC's version of Drax to thanos when facing Prime, or even squirrel girl. In fact I hear that he's fighting doomsday for the "Reign of Doomsday" arc. He'll probably draw blood from him too (even though Doomsday doesn't have blood... just watch). It's the "S" on his chest and the good guy effect tbh. That's why I never use his feats concerning Prime when arguing Conner's character.
Originally posted by Sirius77
How did he look ordinary? He was most of the time taking on every heavy hitter in the legion at once, while often times weakened. He was restrained by supes because he was conversing with him. He proved that he could get out at any point.
I think he looked ordinary in those instances I mentioned ie against Kid Flash, Connor and being restrained by Superman. Connors heat vision even scars him IIRC. I dont recall him being weakened but for the Kryptoninte which was purged from his cells pretty quickly making no real difference. And the only way he got out of Supes hold was through his heat vision.
Also, let's not forget that in Sinestro Corps, while solar starved under a red sun for a year iirc, and weakened by red stars red solar radiation, and deprived of his solar suit (the only thing feeding him power), it took the JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, and others to even restrain him. Even then, the moment a ray of sunlight hit his hand, he broke out like they were nothing, then took on Ion and almost killed him while laughing.
Ion did fine up until the lead poisoning and im curious as to how the battle would have gone if that hadnt happened.
So I think that superman's restraining of Prime in LO3W was one of two things. PIS or a choice on Prime's part. Going on previous showings those are the only ones that would make sense.
I think its more the fact that even though you can barrel through a bunch of characters it doesnt mean you have to be as strong as all of them put together. Primes stronger than guys like Superman but seemingly not so strong that they cant hurt him with a punch, restrain him from an advantageous position or that he oneshots them every time.
Oh, and Conner, I guess they like to wank the character. He's obviously not even Superman level. I see conner as DC's version of Drax to thanos when facing Prime, or even squirrel girl. In fact I hear that he's fighting doomsday for the "Reign of Doomsday" arc. He'll probably draw blood from him too (even though Doomsday doesn't have blood... just watch). It's the "S" on his chest and the good guy effect tbh. That's why I never use his feats concerning Prime when arguing Conner's character.
You are right he's not Superman level and theres obviously a larger storytelling goal behind there matchups but that doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt count in my book, anymore than some of Primes high end feats that obviously support a plot point, story beat or theme. It goes into the mix.
Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 at comparing Drax to Superboy, Drax was created by a Comic Entity for the sole purpose of killing and he went through several incarnation changes untill he had the right one to kill Thanos, Superboy had no such thing going for him.
And Superboy was revived by three of the most intelligent beings in their respective universes for the purpose of fighting Prime. And it worked. I'm not saying the parallel is exact. I'm saying that the two selective plot device characters are similar in the way that they both are able to somehow negate their enemy's obvious superior durability every time
