Originally posted by Fifthchild
I think he looked ordinary in those instances I mentioned ie against Kid Flash, Connor and being restrained by Superman. Connors heat vision even scars him IIRC. I dont recall him being weakened but for the Kryptoninte which was purged from his cells pretty quickly making no real difference. And the only way he got out of Supes hold was through his heat vision.
Kid Flash was amped. Prime might have been weakened during the Superman incident (although I doubt it matters considering his showings while weakened). Sun boy exposed him to red sun energy, his armor was stripped, and I believe by this point he had also been drained by a couple darkness users. Going off of memory though.
As I said before, unless Superman's strength is>> JSA, JLA, Teen Titans and others combined, then Prime wasn't being serious or it was simply a PIS instance or low showing. I know it sounds weird, but for a while it seemed like Prime was listening until Superman started talking about his family and Lori. That was just what I got out of it though. Meh.
Also with reference to the weaknesses, I was refering to Sinestro Corps, although there were instances of Prime being weakened in LO3W as I mentioned.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Ion did fine up until the lead poisoning and im curious as to how the battle would have gone if that hadnt happened.
The exact same imo. If Ion with 1,000 years of experience and the guardian power was being warned by all ten of his rings that Prime would kill him (and Prime basically brushed him off as fodder when he got serious), I don't think he would have done much better. Given his opponent though, he did do well though. I agree.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
I think its more the fact that even though you can barrel through a bunch of characters it doesnt mean you have to be as strong as all of them put together. Primes stronger than guys like Superman but seemingly not so strong that they cant hurt him with a punch, restrain him from an advantageous position or that he oneshots them every time.
Not necessarily it doesn't, but in Prime's case I think it does. The thing that makes him strong is not the amount of characters he takes on, or even the fact that he pushes planets or blitzes Flashes. It's the ease in which he does it. The writers are not attempting to portray him as an amped superman, they are trying to portray him as what he is: a displaced, psychologically damaged, silver age kryptonian with power that he doesn't fully understand. As such, he does all of the things that superman used to do... all except in the wrong universe under the wrong physics. That's what makes him so dangerous.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
You are right he's not Superman level and theres obviously a larger storytelling goal behind there matchups but that doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt count in my book, anymore than some of Primes high end feats that obviously support a plot point, story beat or theme. It goes into the mix.
I can respect that, but his low feats are so divergent from his average feats that it leaves two options yet again: PIS or Plot device. If it's just the Conner issue, then I am inclined to agree that there is either an unrevealed reason as to why Prime has a consistent "Conner weakness" or maybe it's just Prime jobbing to his good counterpart with an "S" on his chest. Who knows. Either way, his average feats make it somewhat null even if calculated with the rest. I do see what you're saying though, I just wish the writers would give us something to work with concerning the issue lol.