funny thing is that the "masters" mention havent done anything themselves to place them on equal lvl to their students.
Batman could beat the majority of the masters he trained under in anyone particular field it doesnt mean much to some one like cap.
aside from that the masters that shiva fought during Batman's retraining was old and armless without no feats to his name.
Robin shouldnt even be mention as a feat for her anyways.
Shiva fighting her daughter. Art by Damion Scott.
At age 8, Shiva's daughter Cassandra flees from David Cain, horrified after killing a man with her bare hands on her first assassination. She then wanders the world as a mute, and, seeking redemption, finds herself in Gotham City during the events of No Man's Land. Seeing promise in Cassandra, Batman and former Batgirl, Barbara Gordon, give Cassandra their blessings to take up the mantle of Batgirl.
Eventually, Batgirl's skills attract Shiva's attention. Without telling her of their relationship, Shiva challenges Batgirl to a battle to the death. To Shiva's disappointment, she defeats Batgirl soundly. Batgirl's body language fluency is newly impaired by a telepath's forcible inculcation of the ability to speak. Wanting to fight Batgirl at her peak, Shiva spares her life, and promises to retrain her on the condition that they have a rematch in one year. The secret to being undefeatable, Shiva explains, is to not fear death, even to seek it. Under Shiva's care, Batgirl soon regains her abilities.
Shiva reappears to fight Batgirl at the Forum of The Twelve Caesars, and kills her in combat. Realizing that Batgirl had not given her all, Shiva revives her. Batgirl admits to harboring a death wish ever since Cain first forced her to kill; her ability to perfectly read the agony of her victim had deeply traumatized her. Having overcome her death wish, Batgirl fights Shiva again, shattering her sword. In the midst of battle, Batgirl accuses Shiva of having a death wish herself, really only traveling and fighting in search of her own death. Batgirl thus defeats Shiva.
Number one cass is her daughter so theres no telling if she was going easy or not
Number two she killed her and broughf her back so even if she won later doesnt matter
Originally posted by Radarock1971
Put it this way who do you think will win the person who can only punch or the other who can punch and kick im just saying knowing more styles will give you more options which will help you win
So, Batman would have an advantage over Remo Williams in a fight, since Remo only knows one style.
Right?
That same logic could apply to Cass on go easier on her as well. Cap's record is overall greater then Shiva. Even when Cap has been on a disadvantage against his A-list peers, at least he wasn't flat out beat as in KO'ed like Shiva.
Overall record Cap's is better.
Overall stat feats Cap's is better.
Overall skill yeah Shiva has some techniques that are not in Cap's prowess, so I don't mind giving her a skill edge. But Cap is just more effective with his skill IMO due to his tactical nature of adaptability and countering.