DP Tryant vs. Current DD

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Bentley it's you who doesn't understand how the tiers work or you haven't read Tyrant and his appearances. Many people, including me, consider Thanos to be Low-Mid Skyfather level. Guess what, Tyrant made an AMPED and PREPPED Thanos leave for fear of dying. IF regular Thanos could be low skyfatherish.. then what is an amped and prepped Thanos? Point is, an amped prepped Thanos left for fear of dying. An unamped Thanos who didn't prepped faced a High (peak) Skyfather in Odin.. and in a much longer fight never once thought about leaving or backing down. Yet against Tyrant, in a shorter period of time, and amped/prepped fled for his life. So your notion that he beat a whole bunch of heralds and that is it, is totally and completly false. We won't even get into his defeat of Galactus and how strong Galactus thought he was.. which again.. puts him above Skyfather level if we go by Thanos and Galactus. He beat more than mere heralds, and even then, beating peak heralds with ease... is nothing to turn your nose up at.

I don't think Thanos is skyfather at that point. Maybe in TI, and that's a maybe. He ain't no Galaxy Buster.

BUT, I understand we disagree, it's not a big deal.

Originally posted by Galan007
your opinion regarding dakrseid's durability differs vastly from my own. therefore, i see no reason to continue this part of the debate.

you think it measures up to Thanos's.. since that was the man comparison I used. one in which Tyrant took on an amped prepped Thanos.. and the was.. DD hitting DS from behind. So DS durability stakes up next to Thanos's?

tyrant may have took on thanos, but absolutely no lasting damage (on either side) was dealt in the end. they hit one another a few times, then briefly locked up in a greco-roman style melee. that's it. i don't see how that particular scuffle remotely compares to the DD/darkseid battle i mentioned..?

and just so you know, doomsday did hit darkseid from behind initially, but he [darkseid] saw doomsday getting up and running towards him prior to being hit:
http://img197.imageshack.us/i/dd1cy.jpg/
"impossible." (last panel)

so yeah, it wasn't a sneak attack. darkseid knew DD was coming after him -- he simply wasn't fast enough to counter. then, 4 blows later, he was nearly dead (literally.)

Originally posted by Galan007
tyrant may have took on thanos, but absolutely no lasting damage (on either side) was dealt in the end. they hit one another a few times, then briefly locked up in a greco-roman style melee. that's it. i don't see how that particular scuffle remotely compares to the DD/darkseid battle i mentioned..?

and just so you know, doomsday did hit darkseid from behind initially, but he [darkseid] saw doomsday getting up and running towards him prior to being hit:
http://img197.imageshack.us/i/dd1cy.jpg/
"impossible." (last panel)

so yeah, it wasn't a sneak attack. darkseid knew DD was coming after him -- he simply wasn't fast enough to counter. then, 4 blows later, he was nearly dead (literally.)

That's just it and I think the crux of what we're talking about. Do you feel DS's durability stacks up with Thanos? You said our impressions of his durability are vastly different. That can mean many things, one of which could be you feel DS durability is on par with someone Tyrant faced. Of course I disagree, and i think on panel showings back up Thanos being superior, but i"m still curious about your stance.

Furthermore, I'm still unclear on how you can say no lasting damage was done to Thanos. Clearly there was, or he wouldn't have commented that he had to leave or else he would be killed. His clothes were all tatered and he was smoking. To say he suffered no lasting damage seems to contradict Thanos own words and needing to leave for fear of death. Unless of course, you feel like Thanos felt no damage and wasn't in danger at all, but was simply guessing Tyrant would raise the stakes a lot. Mind you, we're talking about Thanos here.. who didn't have any desire to quit nor fear of dying when he faced a peak skyfather in Odin. Couldn't one say, that judging by Thanos vs. Odin and Thanos vs Tyrant.. mind you a amped prepped Thanos vs Tyrant.. seems going by Thanos alone.. He seems to feel Tyrant packed more of a punch and certainly felt his power. Enough to leave, while amped in a shorter period of time?

Again though, I'm unclear on how beating and making an amped Thanos flee for his life is = to punching (a less durable) DS from behind and putting him down in a few punches? That just doesn't make sense to me.. unless of course you feel like DS durability (even from behind) is on par with an amped Thanos. Which of course, I don't ascribe to that theory.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's just it and I think the crux of what we're talking about. Do you feel DS's durability stacks up with Thanos? You said our impressions of his durability are vastly different. That can mean many things, one of which could be you feel DS durability is on par with someone Tyrant faced. Of course I disagree, and i think on panel showings back up Thanos being superior, but i"m still curious about your stance.

Furthermore, I'm still unclear on how you can say no lasting damage was done to Thanos. Clearly there was, or he wouldn't have commented that he had to leave or else he would be killed. His clothes were all tatered and he was smoking. To say he suffered no lasting damage seems to contradict Thanos own words and needing to leave for fear of death. Unless of course, you feel like Thanos felt no damage and wasn't in danger at all, but was simply guessing Tyrant would raise the stakes a lot. Mind you, we're talking about Thanos here.. who didn't have any desire to quit nor fear of dying when he faced a peak skyfather in Odin. Couldn't one say, that judging by Thanos vs. Odin and Thanos vs Tyrant.. mind you a amped prepped Thanos vs Tyrant.. seems going by Thanos alone.. He seems to feel Tyrant packed more of a punch and certainly felt his power. Enough to leave, while amped in a shorter period of time?

you misunderstand. i'm not saying thanos was more powerful than tyrant, or could have weathered another onslaught by any means. i'm just saying that in their brief scuffle they only utilized a few seemingly meager attacks, and no lasting damage was dealt to either side. tattered clothes =/= lasting damage to thanos' person.

^^ that doesn't relate to the darkseid/doomsday battle at all, imo.

DD beating DS shouldn't be a low showing for DS mire like an impressuve feat from DD.

I'm not sure how reforming is an impressive durability feat. It wouldn't been more impressive if he actually tanked the blast and was fine. Reforming isn't really a durability showing

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not sure how reforming is an impressive durability feat. It wouldn't been more impressive if he actually tanked the blast and was fine. Reforming isn't really a durability showing

Exactly. It's more of a healing factor/regen feat.

That being said, DP Tyrant makes DD his bxxxh.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not sure how reforming is an impressive durability feat. It wouldn't been more impressive if he actually tanked the blast and was fine. Reforming isn't really a durability showing

Good day. 🙂

DD got up from tanking a full power omega beam, even if it took him abit. He was either stunned or KOed. But.....he got up and blitzed DS right after that.

No one else in that storyline even slowed him down. ❌

Originally posted by Bentley
High Trans, we call them 😄

Just read Outsiders #37, damn my boy was a beast. I'am hoping by the fact he was evolving in that fight means he's either H/P reborn, or OWAW, or better yet he surpasses both incarnation.

Any way as for this fight DD loses, no matter how much it saddens me. We should at least wait until the main continuity begins, or the one shots end, before we can evaluate how much of a beast he truly is.

Originally posted by Galan007
geeze you write a lot lol. anyway, i think darkseid is FAR more durable than you give him credit for. if you recall, he instantly reformed none the worse for wear after spectre utilized his divine judgment against him, because a 'higher power' than spectre still required him in the grand scheme of things -- tanking spectre's wrath is pretty much the best durability showing a character can have, imo. also remember that you can't really use any of darkseid's more current low-end feats against him here, as they didn't exist when the H/P arc was released.

you misunderstand. i'm not saying thanos was more powerful than tyrant, or could have weathered another onslaught by any means. i'm just saying that in their brief scuffle they only utilized a few seemingly meager attacks, and no lasting damage was dealt to either side. tattered clothes =/= lasting damage to thanos' person.

^^ that doesn't relate to the darkseid/doomsday battle at all, imo.

Black Adam looked far superior when he took on the Spectre than Darkseid did.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Tyrant? High Trans? Ha.

Ok, fine. Mid-trans 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Estacado
DD beating DS shouldn't be a low showing for DS mire like an impressuve feat from DD.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's never been the case for DC characters on KMC. For example, if current Doomsday keeps this up, and stomps the JLA (Cyborg Superman, Supergirl, Saint Walker and current Jade, among others), but yet Superman defeats him in the end, it won't show how powerful Superman is, it shows how weak Doomsday actually was.

QFT. Wait....Henshaw and Saint Walker are JLA? 🤨

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's never been the case for DC characters on KMC. For example, if current Doomsday keeps this up, and stomps the JLA (Cyborg Superman, Supergirl, Saint Walker and current Jade, among others), but yet Superman defeats him in the end, it won't show how powerful Superman is, it shows how weak Doomsday actually was.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's never been the case for DC characters on KMC. For example, if current Doomsday keeps this up, and stomps the JLA (Cyborg Superman, Supergirl, Saint Walker and current Jade, among others), but yet Superman defeats him in the end, it won't show how powerful Superman is, it shows how weak Doomsday actually was.

Lovely logic around this place.

Daredevil loses. Spite.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Daredevil loses. Spite.

Don't rule Daredevil out; remember that, aside from the UN, the most effective attack launched against Tyrant was from that spinster, who fights kind of like Daredevil. With sufficiently powerful nun-chucks, and by striking at Tyrant's weakpoints, a skilled street-leveller just...might be able to succeed where a team of heralds failed...