DP Tryant vs. Current DD

I did not say Thor sucked. I said I was not touching Rulk. And Bor did have a lack of feats, but fair point about him pushing Thor.

T&A sucked as characters, but I wouldn't say they were on the level of Galactus in a fair fight. Chaos King sucked as a character as well, but he didn't really face any abstracts aside from Galactus.

Supergod Herc losing to chaos king was understandable. His restoring the universe......now that's weird. A skyfather shouldn't be able to do that solo.

WWH? Stop bringing up that piece of shit story. It was loaded with plot devices to save Hulk.

Molecule Man? You can't use that showing per the mod ruling. Terrax DOES suck.

Sentry does suck. Void on the other hand, had a fair amount of power.

^ Aside from the points we agree on, how aren't your shallow dismissals of characters/circumstances concerning Hulk/Sentry/Molecule Man not the same kind of shallow dismissals that you're giving everybody grief about?

I'm not using the Molecule Man feat to prove Sentry's capable of something in a vs debate. I'm pointing out that it's utter dismissal and banishment per an actual ruling evinces a far greater level of dismissal than anything Superman/GL fans have to deal with.

What? We ever have any rulings here that prevented Kyle fans from citing to him containing a Big Bang (before that myth was utterly dispelled)? Or that Superman beat reality-warping Dominus at his own game (even though there was -- btw, can you spell I.R.O.N.Y. -- plot-device mechanics at play)? Or that Superman powered a galaxy-size- oh whatever.

Just give me a kit-kat break. Ya'll wanna feel special. Fine, you're special. You deal with stuff nobody ever has to deal with. Boo hoo. Somebody schedule a comfort group meeting for abused Superman/GL fans and bring the tissues.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
"Nova Prime sucks, Surfer beat him easily" (as if Surfer isn't just that powerful?). "Odinforce Thor sucks, Rulk beat him" (as if there weren't circumstances?) "Bor sucks, Odinforce Thor beat him" (no feats... how about pushing Odinforce Thor to his limits far worse than the frikkin Destroyer did just several issues prior and shattering Mjolnir out of pure physical durability?).

"T&A suck, Surfer beat em" (as if there weren't circumstances?). "Chaos King sucks, he got beat by Amadeus Cho" (as if he still didn't devour the 616 universe?). "Supergod Herc sucks, he got wrecked by Chaos King" (as if Chaos King wasn't just that powerful and still... Supergod Herc restored the entire universe?). "Ult. Hulk sucks, Ult. Cap knocked him down" (as if Ult. Cap can't possibly be more than a 2-tonner?).

And thanks for unintentionally making my point about WWH and Rulk. "Skrull-Bolt, Mighty+New Avengers, Fantastic Four jobbed, WWH curbstomped them in quick succession" (as if WWH wasn't jsut that powerful?). "WWH sucks, he got wrecked by a Skyfather" (as if Zeus isn't just that powerful). Gimme a break. Surfer got one-shotted by Odin. How exactly does WWH get showered with the haterade by performing better? Of course, he's Hulk, waaah waaah.

"Molecule Man sucks, Sentry beat him" (as if Sentry can't possibly have matter manip that high?). "Terrax sucks, Sentry curbstomped him" (as if Sentry isn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, WWH matched him" (as if WWH wasn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, Thor matched, then killed him" (except that's not true at all?). Of course, he's Sentry, waaah waaah.

Superman/GL fans crying victim about how his feats are downplayed because his foes are lowballed? Join the club. Pretending like they're really the characters getting treated that way, how come nobody else is? Eyes. Be. Rollin.

C'mon now.

Spot on. The list could include Magus sucking because he was one-shot by mar-vell and mar-vell sucking because he was chocked slammed by mere Thanos.

^ I left them off because they actually and legitimately suck. ermmhappy

LOL. Spot off 😛

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
"Nova Prime sucks, Surfer beat him easily" (as if Surfer isn't just that powerful?). "Odinforce Thor sucks, Rulk beat him" (as if there weren't circumstances?) "Bor sucks, Odinforce Thor beat him" (no feats... how about pushing Odinforce Thor to his limits far worse than the frikkin Destroyer did just several issues prior and shattering Mjolnir out of pure physical durability?).

"T&A suck, Surfer beat em" (as if there weren't circumstances?). "Chaos King sucks, he got beat by Amadeus Cho" (as if he still didn't devour the 616 universe?). "Supergod Herc sucks, he got wrecked by Chaos King" (as if Chaos King wasn't just that powerful and still... Supergod Herc restored the entire universe?). "Ult. Hulk sucks, Ult. Cap knocked him down" (as if Ult. Cap can't possibly be more than a 2-tonner?).

And thanks for unintentionally making my point about WWH and Rulk. "Skrull-Bolt, Mighty+New Avengers, Fantastic Four jobbed, WWH curbstomped them in quick succession" (as if WWH wasn't jsut that powerful?). "WWH sucks, he got wrecked by a Skyfather" (as if Zeus isn't just that powerful). Gimme a break. Surfer got one-shotted by Odin. How exactly does WWH get showered with the haterade by performing better? Of course, he's Hulk, waaah waaah.

"Molecule Man sucks, Sentry beat him" (as if Sentry can't possibly have matter manip that high?). "Terrax sucks, Sentry curbstomped him" (as if Sentry isn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, WWH matched him" (as if WWH wasn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, Thor matched, then killed him" (except that's not true at all?). Of course, he's Sentry, waaah waaah.

Superman/GL fans crying victim about how his feats are downplayed because his foes are lowballed? Join the club. Pretending like they're really the characters getting treated that way, how come nobody else is? Eyes. Be. Rollin.

C'mon now.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Aside from the points we agree on, how aren't your shallow dismissals of characters/circumstances concerning Hulk/Sentry/Molecule Man not the same kind of shallow dismissals that you're giving everybody grief about?

I'm not using the Molecule Man feat to prove Sentry's capable of something in a vs debate. I'm pointing out that it's utter dismissal and banishment per an actual ruling evinces a far greater level of dismissal than anything Superman/GL fans have to deal with.

What? We ever have any rulings here that prevented Kyle fans from citing to him containing a Big Bang (before that myth was utterly dispelled)? Or that Superman beat reality-warping Dominus at his own game (even though there was -- btw, can you spell I.R.O.N.Y. -- plot-device mechanics at play)? Or that Superman powered a galaxy-size- oh whatever.

Just give me a kit-kat break. Ya'll wanna feel special. Fine, you're special. You deal with stuff nobody ever has to deal with. Boo hoo. Somebody schedule a comfort group meeting for abused Superman/GL fans and bring the tissues.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
"Nova Prime sucks, Surfer beat him easily" (as if Surfer isn't just that powerful?). "Odinforce Thor sucks, Rulk beat him" (as if there weren't circumstances?) "Bor sucks, Odinforce Thor beat him" (no feats... how about pushing Odinforce Thor to his limits far worse than the frikkin Destroyer did just several issues prior and shattering Mjolnir out of pure physical durability?).

"T&A suck, Surfer beat em" (as if there weren't circumstances?). "Chaos King sucks, he got beat by Amadeus Cho" (as if he still didn't devour the 616 universe?). "Supergod Herc sucks, he got wrecked by Chaos King" (as if Chaos King wasn't just that powerful and still... Supergod Herc restored the entire universe?). "Ult. Hulk sucks, Ult. Cap knocked him down" (as if Ult. Cap can't possibly be more than a 2-tonner?).

And thanks for unintentionally making my point about WWH and Rulk. "Skrull-Bolt, Mighty+New Avengers, Fantastic Four jobbed, WWH curbstomped them in quick succession" (as if WWH wasn't jsut that powerful?). "WWH sucks, he got wrecked by a Skyfather" (as if Zeus isn't just that powerful). Gimme a break. Surfer got one-shotted by Odin. How exactly does WWH get showered with the haterade by performing better? Of course, he's Hulk, waaah waaah.

"Molecule Man sucks, Sentry beat him" (as if Sentry can't possibly have matter manip that high?). "Terrax sucks, Sentry curbstomped him" (as if Sentry isn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, WWH matched him" (as if WWH wasn't just that powerful?). "Sentry sucks, Thor matched, then killed him" (except that's not true at all?). Of course, he's Sentry, waaah waaah.

Superman/GL fans crying victim about how his feats are downplayed because his foes are lowballed? Join the club. Pretending like they're really the characters getting treated that way, how come nobody else is? Eyes. Be. Rollin.

C'mon now.

Good sh** ODG.

Good stuff. Some of this went into one ear of some of the peeps, out of the other ear but you was dead on track with this.

Originally posted by The Return
I thouht Kyle did hold the energies of Imperiex? Isn't that the universe buster? Granted Kyle's ring was better then than it is now.

When did Imperiex destroy a universe? Are you using hyperbole statements?

crylaugh ODG laying down the hurt.

Originally posted by carver9
When did Imperiex destroy a universe? Are you using hyperbole statements?

Originally posted by carver9
When did Imperiex destroy a universe? Are you using hyperbole statements?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nope. Imperiex Prime was responsible for the death of several universes, and possibly more given his omni-temporal battle with B-13.

So Imperiex "on-panel" destroyed Universes huh? Kind of like how Sentry defeated Galactus huh?

Do you agree with both speculations. You can't accept one without accepting the other since both of them was shown off panel.

Since you accept Imperiex destroying Universes, do you also accept Sentry stalemating/defeating Galactus?

Originally posted by carver9
So Imperiex "on-panel" destroyed Universes huh? Kind of like how Sentry defeated Galactus huh?

Do you agree with both speculations. You can't accept one without accepting the other since both of them was shown off panel.

Since you accept Imperiex destroying Universes, do you also accept Sentry stalemating/defeating Galactus?

He destroyed at least one on panel.

Not to mention Imperiex is THE BIG BANG personified.

Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly. The same thing was said about the Weaponer in another thread. The dude tools Ganthet, Kyle, John, etc, etc yet a few believe him to still be sub-Surfer level simply because Sinestro ended up beating him. So instead of just admitting that both characters' feats were very impressive, they are both essentially low-balled. After all, Sinestro cannot possibly be Surfer-level and beyond -- therefore him beating Weaponer proves that he [Weaponer] is also inferior to Surfer by proxy, despite owning some of the most powerful Lanterns out there (AND a Guardian.) Amiright?

Lovely logic around this place.

Sill on that??!?!?! He got tooled by Sinestro badly. So much so he was basically his biatch. I've stated in the not so distant past (some thread over a week ago) that Sinestro has been kikin butt lately and DC seems to have upped his stock. This was even before you went off just cause some peeps including me somewhat disagreed on your view of the Weaponer.

At some point people stopped talking about Tyrant and Doomsday. Maybe this should be taken up on a sinestro vs surfer thread, or the weaponer vs. surfer thread? Just saying.

It's too soon to call the fight in favor of DD, and so far he hasn't shown what it takes to take down Tyrant at this time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's too soon to call the fight in favor of DD, and so far he hasn't shown what it takes to take down Tyrant at this time.

I think it's funny that you say "It's too soon to call the fight in favor of DD," as, unless I've missed something, not a solitary soul has called it for him.

Just making sure no one did. biscuitsgun3