Vampires vs. Monsters

Started by Mindset7 pages

Originally posted by marwash22
where's your proof?

None of them were in a mindless rage of pure destruction...

Are you serious?

my mistake, i thought he had to calm down that kid before he ripped his head off. Either way, it's stated multiple times as a fact (even in the video you posted) that Jasper's power is "controlling emotions"... is rage/anger not an emotion? Nowhere is it mentioned that there is a certain state of anger in which Jasper can't manipulate; so, who are you to put an unfounded cap on a character's power? Your claim is baseless.

My claim isn't baseless unless you want to blindly accept statements as fact. Show me examples of him actually doing what you claim he can do.

If he could control anyone's emotions regardless of the degree, he would have no threats, that's obviously not the case. No limits fallacy, anyway.

You saying his power is unlimited is the same as us saying there's a level cap. But there is a level of reasoning with ours, as Hulk has the potential for nearly unlimited rage.

And Doom is solid metal, strong enough to take full punches from Thing.

The others have shown how powerful they are...the vamps aren't ripping anyone apart.

Hulk shatters or explodes them all with a hand-clap. /thread

Only one thing calms the Hulk, Betty. His father tried to drain him of all his power/rage and it ended up being nigh-limitless by all accounts.

So it's just a matter of time before the Hulk lays hands and breaks. May take 10 mins, may take 10 hours.

i don't play the opinion game... there's no end to that.

deuces.

When I saw this I instantly thought the whole fight was based on Hulk being calmed down back into Banner.

But during a fight of this magnitude Hulk ain't dumb enough to just back down.

And Ironmongers chances are super slim.

Iron Monger wont survive, definately not. But im pretty sure Hulks ONLY emotion is rage.........

There really isnt much that can kill him, and a TwiVamp is not one.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, and none of them were raging, definitely not on the level of Hulk.

True...except for the Paul Emmett thing. Both of them were ready to piss all over that decades old treaty, endanger both of their families literally to death, and tear eachother's throat out.

Originally posted by KingD19
You saying his power is unlimited is the same as us saying there's a level cap. But there is a level of reasoning with ours, as Hulk has the potential for nearly unlimited rage.

And Doom is solid metal, strong enough to take full punches from Thing.

The others have shown how powerful they are...the vamps aren't ripping anyone apart.

This is a good post. Thing is within range of the Vampires' strength as was proven in the other thread. The Vampires may be multiple times stronger, but only by 2-4 times. That's not that much, considering.

I think that the Vampires rip everyone apart except the following:

Hulk (If the Ang Lee Hulk)
Gamma Dogs
Doom

There is NO way in any sort of fanboy land that a Twivamp will kill a Hulk that can literally tank a nuke with just a scratch.

When did Hulk get nuked?

The Twi-vamps rip apart what you claimed to be "somewhere between granite and diamond" with relative ease, yet you don't think they can team up and decap Hulk? bermm

Doom is no threat at all. he'll be rolling around on the ground in crippling pain.

lol @ those dogs being a threat.

Originally posted by marwash22
When did Hulk get nuked?

The Twi-vamps rip apart what you claimed to be "somewhere between granite and diamond" with relative ease, yet you don't think they can team up and decap Hulk? bermm

Doom is no threat at all. he'll be rolling around on the ground in crippling pain.

lol @ those dogs being a threat.

Hulk got nuked when they nuked that military base.

And, yeah, they are referred to, symbolically, as "granite", "diamond", "invulnerable", etc. Since in Breaking Dawn we get to see how truly "durable" they are (a needle, which is made of sugical steal, could not "scratch" the surface of the skin; it couldn't even break the surface a little: it just bends) that puts their flesh, on the hardness scale, much closer to a 10 than a 6. However, they appear to be brittle against really strong forces...but those are from other characters that are well past the 200 ton class.

How are they supposed to "tear" something that appears to be as hard as steel? Tortional strength of steel?

But, I digress: he can move his body just fine so it's obviously not exactly what we think it is.

And, they gave "full-power" Hulk trouble, will have very similar attributes to Hulk, and really cannot be killed by anything short of an Ang Lee Hulk-like character.

I'm not recalling the nuke thing, i haven't watched that movie in a while.

those dogs had shit durability and are far too slow to contend with the vamps. You yourself are acknowledging how strong the vamps are, but at the same time arguing that they can't rip the heads off dogs who literally blew up when punched.

Again, Doom is no threat. He's not solid-metal... dunno where that came from. Even if that were the case, he has no resistance to Jane's power.

Bana's Hulk won't be affected by the vamp's psi attacks, as Hulk is too angry to be calmed by anything. Any attacks will only piss him off even more, therefore making Hulk stronger.

/thread.

so, we're just making stuff up now, huh?

Edwards shoots a kamehameha wave.

/thread.

Originally posted by marwash22
I'm not recalling the nuke thing, i haven't watched that movie in a while.

No problem.

Originally posted by marwash22
those dogs had shit durability and are far too slow to contend with the vamps. You yourself are acknowledging how strong the vamps are, but at the same time arguing that they can't rip the heads off dogs who literally blew up when punched.

They got beat down/killed by one of the most powerful forms of Hulk: he was protecting his sweety-pie.

In terms of strength, I'd put that Hulk>>>>>Twivamp.

Durability? Hulk >>>>>>>> Twivamp.

The dogs were supposed to be "made" similar to Hulk but with Hulk being the more completed "being."

Originally posted by marwash22
Again, Doom is no threat. He's not solid-metal... dunno where that came from. Even if that were the case, he has no resistance to Jane's power.

We don't know his durability, really...besides tanking attacks from a 75-ton class Mutant.

We do know that he can easily put a hole in a meatbag's chest...I don't know how that would work against a Twivamp. I want to lean on it "vaporizing" a hole into the vamps, as well because the vampires are still some form of biological flesh.

Originally posted by marwash22
so, we're just making stuff up now, huh?

Edwards shoots a kamehameha wave.

/thread.

Prove to me that I'm "making stuff up", otherwise quit your trolling.

Originally posted by Impediment
Prove to me that I'm "making stuff up", otherwise quit your trolling.
lol. you post this...

Originally posted by Impediment
Bana's Hulk won't be affected by the vamp's psi attacks, as Hulk is too angry to be calmed by anything. Any attacks will only piss him off even more, therefore making Hulk stronger.

/thread.

but I'm doing the trolling? riiiiiiight.

What proof do you have that Jasper's power wont work on Hulk. It doesn't even have anything to do with altering the opponents mind, he manipulates emotion... it's not a psychic attack, Hulk won't even know it's happening so how would he get angrier. You are ignoring facts. take your bias elsewhere.

Originally posted by marwash22
lol. you post this...

but I'm doing the trolling? riiiiiiight.

What proof do you have that Jasper's power wont work on Hulk. It doesn't even have anything to do with altering the opponents mind, he manipulates emotion... it's not a psychic attack, Hulk won't even know it's happening so how would he get angrier. You are ignoring facts. take your bias elsewhere.

I'm going to tell you one more time to lose your attitude.

You still have not shown any proof of how a psychic attack would affect Hulk. Hulk's level of rage is unprecedented, and would be very, very hard to alter even in the slightest. The only thing shown on screen to lower Hulk's rage was Betty Ross.

ohno yessuh, sorry suh.

once again, it's not a "pyschic attack"... Jasper's ability is giving people whatever emotion he wants them to have, it has absolutely nothing to do with attacking his opponent's brain. My proof lies in the movies, he's done it multiple times... even to Bella, who is immune to psychic attacks which proves even further that it has nothing to do with mentally raping someone.

Originally posted by dadudemon
True...except for the Paul Emmett thing. Both of them were ready to piss all over that decades old treaty, endanger both of their families literally to death, and tear eachother's throat out.

You're really comparing that to Hulk?

They are still able to reason, Hulk is not, he is a mindless ball of rage that relies on base instincts. I don't recall Jasper even using his powers then.