Vampires vs. Monsters

Originally posted by marwash22
What proof do you have that Jasper's power wont work on Hulk. It doesn't even have anything to do with altering the opponents mind, he manipulates emotion... it's not a psychic attack, Hulk won't even know it's happening so how would he get angrier. You are ignoring facts. take your bias elsewhere.

The reason why Hulk is obviously getting angrier is because this is a fight between many combatants. There is so much action going on that Jaspers passive emotion based attack would be felt by Hulk quickly. And Hulk based in his environment would feel the effects and SCREAM that shit out!

The Hulks rage in the first film nullified his father's manipulation. And his father became a mini VOID! A telepathic molecular reconstructing cloud. And Hulk screamed it away.

In the Incredible Hulk he crushes the Abomination, a creature that would give trouble to the TwiVamps.

^ Thank you.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Jaspers passive emotion based attack would be felt by Hulk quickly.

Hulk runs on anger > anger is an emotion > Jasper changes emotions at will > Jasper changes Hulk's emotion from angry, to happy > Hulk reverts to Banner > Bruce dies a horrible death.

The only argument i'm seeing is that, Hulk is angrier than anyone has ever been, ever! Okay, and?

The facts are these:

1. Jasper can plant emotions in whoever he want's.
2. Jasper's ability operates outside the principles of telepathic intrusion.

anything else is your opinion, not fact.

Hulk's rage really isn't all that. He's still capable of coherent thought and logic.

The Hulks rage in the first film nullified his father's manipulation. And his father became a mini VOID! A telepathic molecular reconstructing cloud. And Hulk screamed it away.

Are you talking about the end-fight? Because that's not what happened. Banner over-loaded his father with so much sheer energy that he couldn't contain it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hulk's rage really isn't all that. He's still capable of coherent thought and logic.

At the end you can clearly hear Banner coherently think the sentence 'You want power, have it all!' while still in Hulk form.

Originally posted by Mindset
At the level of an animal.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hulk's rage really isn't all that. He's still capable of coherent thought and logic.

Hulk isn't a normal biological being. He is a construct of Banner's subconcious. One fueled by his childhood imaginings of his favourite childhood toy defeating any challenger and his memories of witnessing his mother's death. Jasper implanting an emotion representing calm won't effect Hulk because his entire being is based on these memories.

Only Betty has released memories in the Hulk that resulted in returning him to Banner form. And in the second movie he evolved passed it.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Are you talking about the end-fight? Because that's not what happened. Banner over-loaded his father with so much sheer energy that he couldn't contain it.

Sheer Energy based on Hulk's will alone!

Hulk's father became a being of immense power. Molecular manipulation and psychic ability would wreck havok on the vampire team!

Originally posted by marwash22
oh, an animal, you say... you mean, like... a pissed off wolf?! 313

No.

sneer

Originally posted by Mindset
A wolf with human thoughts?

No.

sneer

opposed to a giant green-humanoid... with human thoughts.

...you editing s.o.b. lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
At the end you can clearly hear Banner coherently think the sentence 'You want power, have it all!' while still in Hulk form.

Originally posted by marwash22
where are you getting this? No, seriously, what franchise is this from 'cause it most assuredly isn't Twilight. You're just typing your opinion without any supporting evidence. When has anyone in the Twilight universe ever felt Jasper tampering with their emotions. I'll answer that... never! No one ever knows he's using his power until the emotion has already been planted.

Hulk runs on anger > anger is an emotion > Jasper changes emotions at will > Jasper changes Hulk's emotion from angry, to happy > Hulk reverts to Banner > Bruce dies a horrible death.

The only argument i'm seeing is that, Hulk is angrier than anyone has ever been, ever! Okay, and?

The facts are these:

1. Jasper can plant emotions in whoever he want's.
2. Jasper's ability operates outside the principles of telepathic intrusion.

anything else is your opinion, not fact.

Oh hai.

Sup duder. Bored at work, figured I'd waste time here. No more HP/SW threads for me, gonna avoid them like the plague.

Originally posted by Mindset
You're really comparing that to Hulk?

Originally posted by Mindset
They are still able to reason, Hulk is not, he is a mindless ball of rage that relies on base instincts. I don't recall Jasper even using his powers then.

Wah? Still able to reason?...hulk is not...? You watchedsomething else. They were both (Paul and Emmett) endangering all the lives of their loved ones including those around them. Hulk has reason beyond that: he at least tried his best to protect Betty at all times.

So, as far as unreasonable rage goes, Emmett and Paul getting pissed at eachother was less "unreasonable rage" than Hulk's.

Hulk also had enough "reason" to do very intelligent things, interact with Betty, etc. This unreasonable rage you're trying to create does not exist. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hulk's rage really isn't all that. He's still capable of coherent thought and logic.

Thank you. They are inadvertently gimping Hulk and I don't like it. cry

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you talking about the end-fight? Because that's not what happened. Banner over-loaded his father with so much sheer energy that he couldn't contain it.

Again, thank you. That's exactly what happened. His father was trying to grow stronger off of Hulk's rage-energies and Hulk kept raging out and it seemed limitless. After his father was saturated, he couldn't take anymore but Hulk kept giving it.

Anyway, with Jasper out of the picture, Hulk (Ang Lee), solos with ease. I would assume that Dr. Doom would figure that out...being one of the smartest people on the planet.

Originally posted by marwash22
Doom, lol, he's dead.

The guy was more than a physical match for the Thing, was able to withstand Supernova type heat, and could shoot incredibly powerful blasts of electricty. I'm not sure how he is lol dead.

Yeah, wtf? I doubt they'd be able to even dent Doom. I can't see them putting him down.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uhhhh... yeah. 😬

Wah? Still able to reason?...hulk is not...? You watchedsomething else. They were both (Paul and Emmett) endangering all the lives of their loved ones including those around them. Hulk has reason beyond that: he at least tried his best to protect Betty at all times.

So, as far as unreasonable rage goes, Emmett and Paul getting pissed at eachother was less "unreasonable rage" than Hulk's.

Hulk also had enough "reason" to do very intelligent things, interact with Betty, etc. This unreasonable rage you're trying to create does not exist. 🙂

Anyway, Jasper didn't even use his powers on Emmet and Paul, I just rewatched the scene. So...

Umm, because Betty calms Hulk down enough for the more intelligent part of his brain to work.

Originally posted by Mindset
They are able to reason on the level of intelligent humans, Hulk is able to reason on the level of an animal, or at times a small child. So yea, they still could reason better than the Hulk, because all the did was stare and growl at each other w/o anyone having to physically stop them.

No, what I said.

You just replied with a "nuh-uh." What I said it correct.

But, I'll reply to your posts with "proper" replies:

"Both (Paul and Emmett) of them were ready to piss all over that decades old treaty, endanger both of their families literally to death, and tear eachother's throat out.

They were both endangering all the lives of their loved ones including those around them. Hulk has reason beyond that: he at least tried his best to protect Betty at all times."

Originally posted by Mindset
Anyway, Jasper didn't even use his powers on Emmet and Paul, I just rewatched the scene. So...

So the passive power that he exerts and very rarely outwardly shows that he's using it, is now magically not being used? K. Gotcha. Nice try, but fail.

Originally posted by Mindset
Umm, because Betty calms Hulk down enough for the more intelligent part of his brain to work.

Umm, she's within mere feet of him when he is raging out. Is it possible that Hulk is much more "intelligent" and reasonable than you're giving him credit for?

So Hulk trying to protect Betty shows super high amounts of reasoning? No.

That's the same as a dog you've trained and loved for years trying to bite a guy it sees as a threat.