Insane Genis-Vell vs Monarch

You know Id, it could only end in tears. And probably a destroyed universe. 😄

Also, can I see the big bang feat for Genis?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You know Id, it could only end in tears. And probably a destroyed universe. 😄

Also, can I see the big bang feat for Genis?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse5.jpg

.........Ok, I'm confused. Did he tank a big bang there, or just restart the universe by shooting Entropy?

Both.

Ok.....Galan? That looks like a big bang going off on his face. So.....you said he can pierce Monarch, would this not be evidence that he wins?

Imo, the big bang was self-contained solely within Entropy himself. If you recall, before Entropy was transformed into Eternity, he and Genis had to slay -a willing- Eternity by exiting the physical universe and killing his manifestation:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5691/captainmarveliv05p21.jpg

It's the same basic thing Dormammu did... He exited the material universe, slew Eternity, then had to reenter it:
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1766/dormammu1.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5850/dormammu2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7849/dormammu3.jpg

Anyhow, after the big bang took place, Genis and co were still outside of the physical universe, which means they were still outside the 'influence' of Eternity:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/6-RestartsUniverse5.jpg

They were outside of creation pre-big bang, and they were STILL outside of creation post-big bang.

I'm not seeing in the first scan where they traveled outside of the universe, Eternity isn't actually even present in that scan.

The white background. And Eternity is there. they're standing on his face.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not seeing in the first scan where they traveled outside of the universe, Eternity isn't actually even present in that scan.

umm

Yea, that's not actually Eternity.

Just like when I turn on my tv I'm not actually with Brad Pitt.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, that's not actually Eternity.

Just like when I turn on my tv I'm not actually with Brad Pitt.

Anyway, I don't know if you understand what I'm saying...

1.) Entropy/Genis exit creation to kill -a willing- Eternity.
2.) Entropy decides that he wants to be the new Eternity.
3.) Genis introduces a spark that ignites a new big bang, which would ultimately return everything back to normal.
4.) After Entropy's metamorphosis into Eternity is complete, Genis and co are STILL chilling in a blank void, completely separate from Eternity.

Point being: had the big bang struck them, it would mean they were hit by Eternity's energies -- which means that Eternity/creation would have expanded beyond them -- which would ALSO mean they would have been within the physical universe after all was said and done... Which is totally opposite from what actually happened.

So if you are of the opinion that Genis did in fact tank a big bang, then you also need to provide a good explanation as to why they were still in a blank void after the big bang occurred.

When/where did they exit creation?

^ They killed the previous Eternity/creation via taking out his physical manifestation in it's totality:
http://img88.imageshack.us/i/captainmarveliv06p05.jpg/

It can't be done like that unless you exit creation and attack him from the outside (see the Dormammu scans I posted earlier.)

That + the fact that after Eternity was rebirthed, Genis was STILL completely separate from him in a blank void, leads me to believe he was outside of creation the entire time.

There is a confliction. The Bang blast effected Rick, who was supposedly outside creation, suddenly reformed inside the microverse.

Anyways, if the argument is that Genis has no way to deal with Monarch universe ending blast. Than you are over looking his ability to create a spacial sheet to cover its body. All matter, and energy would flow right though him into the Negative Zone verse.

Originally posted by "Id"
There is a confliction. The Bang blast effected Rick, who was supposedly outside creation, suddenly reformed inside the microverse.

Anyways, if the argument is that Genis has no way to deal with Monarch universe ending blast. Than you are over looking his ability to create a spacial sheet to cover its body. All matter, and energy would flow right though him into the Negative Zone verse.

But.....I'm really gonna need a scan to prove he can shunt that much power.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yeah, the part about Rick being in the microverse was weird.

But.....I'm really gonna need a scan to prove he can shunt that much power.

Originally posted by "Id"
There is a confliction. The Bang blast effected Rick, who was supposedly outside creation, suddenly reformed inside the microverse.

Originally posted by "Id"
Anyways, if the argument is that Genis has no way to deal with Monarch universe ending blast. Than you are over looking his ability to create a spacial sheet to cover its body. All matter, and energy would flow right though him into the Negative Zone verse.

As for your comment: Like I said before, it's certainly a possibility. However, I'm curious what his best feat is in the area of energy shunting..?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Monitor did so along with a shielded shrub as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?

The only point I'm arguing is Genis tanking a big bang... Something it's pretty clear he didn't do, imo.

As for your comment: Like I said before, it's certainly a possibility. However, I'm curious what his best feat is in the area of energy shunting..?

That's an absolutely moot point.

Do you feel the same chain reaction blast would kill Genis ? Or do you feel he'd survive ?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yeah, the part about Rick being in the microverse was weird.

But.....I'm really gonna need a scan to prove he can shunt that much power.

If Genis wanted to, he could open a spacial rift, and pour in enough anti-matter to destroy the universe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so but just a question here.

Do you feel the same chain reaction blast would kill Genis ? Or do you feel he'd survive ?

Originally posted by "Id"
I really dont see how you could effect him physically with a full body spacial sheet. But ok.

If Genis wanted to, he could open a spacial rift, and pour in enough anti-matter to destroy the universe.