Originally posted by Galan007Ok, let me come at you from a different angle. The universe wasn't destroyed at once first off so it's not instantaneous or anything so all you have to do is be away from the blast when it engulfs the area you yourself are in.
Not until I see a feat which leads me to that conclusion.That scan has nothing to do with Genis. At all.
Do you agree ?
Originally posted by quanchi112It's true that Monarch's detonation didn't instantly destroy the universe -- they [the energies he released] expanded outward until the universe was destroyed. It did happen very quickly, but yeah, not 'instantly'. However, if you're trying to say that Genis could teleport out of the universe (or some such) to avoid being destroyed by the blast, then that would equate to a self-BFR.
Ok, let me come at you from a different angle. The universe wasn't destroyed at once first off so it's not instantaneous or anything so all you have to do is be away from the blast when it engulfs the area you yourself are in.Do you agree ?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiPer the forum rules, leaving the battlefield on purpose results in a DQ:
How would that be a self BFR when Monarch would already be killed prior. That is a win regardless if it kills him or not. It just so happens that he could avoid being hit, but monarch has still been killed
Originally posted by Digi
Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match.
So IF Genis managed to rupture Monarch's armor (big if, imo) and decided to teleport away from that universe to avoid being destroyed by the subsequent blast, he would be out of the match as well.
Originally posted by Galan007Not out of the universe out of the way of the incoming blast and then to a safe location.
It's true that Monarch's detonation didn't instantly destroy the universe -- they [the energies he released] expanded outward until the universe was destroyed. It did happen very quickly, but yeah, not 'instantly'. However, if you're trying to say that Genis could teleport out of the universe (or some such) to avoid being destroyed by the blast, then that would equate to a self-BFR.
Originally posted by Galan007I don't think he tried to avoid the hammer throw though.
^ Pfft, Genis couldn't even avoid a hammer throw from King Thor. He ain't avoiding energies that destroyed an entire universe in seconds. vinSrsly though, if both parties are fighting to their best, I don't see it coming down to that.
Was there ever any time referenced as in how many seconds or is that just a guess on your part ? Too lazy to find the issue in countdown.
Originally posted by quanchi112I was being sarcastic.
I don't think he tried to avoid the hammer throw though.Was there ever any time referenced as in how many seconds or is that just a guess on your part ? Too lazy to find the issue in countdown.
Universe 51 was destroyed in one page... It happened VERY quickly (seconds seems accurate, imo.)
Originally posted by Galan007Sarcastic side--galan--who knew ?
I was being sarcastic.Universe 51 was destroyed in one page... It happened VERY quickly (seconds seems accurate, imo.)
It does seem like an educational guess but me personally I think he can tank it based on how the monitors were portrayed in this story.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes, sadly my sarcasm is usually lost around here. 🙁
Sarcastic side--galan--who knew ?It does seem like an educational guess but me personally I think he can tank it based on how the monitors were portrayed in this story.
Monitors themselves may have been portrayed poorly during Countdown, but iirc, we only saw Monitor-shielding used once... And that was when Nix used it to tank Monarch's energies.
...Just because Monitor-shielding can block said energies, it doesn't mean Genis can.
Ah I see. Still though, don't forum battles take place in a neutral universe? Would there even be a Negative Zone for him to open up a portal to? Or are you saying he could open up a portal to an anti-matter universe in general?
Either way, that's really not a good instance to use -- as it seemed to be taking a great deal of time to preform...
Originally posted by Galan007
Ah I see. Still though, don't forum battles take place in a neutral universe? Would there even be a Negative Zone for him to open up a portal to? Or are you saying he could open up a portal to an anti-matter universe in general?Either way, that's really not a good instance to use -- as it seemed to be taking a great deal of time to preform...
The Nega Bands are powered by Anti-Matter from the Negative Zone.
I don't know how the forum rules would effect them. I would assume wielders of the Nega Bands can assume its full function, similar to how the Infinity Gauntlet or Quantum Bands despite being in a neutral verse.
Thats the biggest example I can find of the Nega Bands being used to to move energy. Though it was Drax wielding them, Genis should be more competent. But those are details you cant really quantify.
I know the Nega Bands are capable of absorbing a Galaxy worth of energy, on the fly. And thats about it.
Originally posted by Galan007It doesn't mean he can't either because I am basing this off of their countdown portrayal.
Yes, sadly my sarcasm is usually lost around here. 🙁Monitors themselves may have been portrayed poorly during Countdown, but iirc, we only saw Monitor-shielding used once... And that was when Nix used it to tank Monarch's energies.
...Just because Monitor-shielding can block said energies, it doesn't mean Genis can.
The Monitor was unphased and Genis' feats seem to be well above the Monitors for the entire story. If this was a morrion Monitor it would change things since he portrayed them as much more powerful than the countdown peeps did.
I don't get this though.. you have to remove yourself from the battlefield for a specific amout of time.. Just like someone has to be put down for a little bit in order for it to count as a victory or KO. Same with BFR... Somebody can be thrown to another state... but if they instantly teleport back.. it matter not and that is not a BFR win. Same goes for this situation.. Genis just teleports out of the way of the blast.. and a second later could be right back where he was standing supreme. That isn't self bfr
Originally posted by "Id"Which is insignificant in comparison to a universe-worth of energy.
I know the Nega Bands are capable of absorbing a Galaxy worth of energy, on the fly. And thats about it.
Originally posted by quanchi112How Monitors were portrayed in Countdown is irrelevant. Bottom line: the energies Monarch released destroyed a universe. Nix Uotan used his shielding to tank those energies.
It doesn't mean he can't either because I am basing this off of their countdown portrayal.The Monitor was unphased and Genis' feats seem to be well above the Monitors for the entire story. If this was a morrion Monitor it would change things since he portrayed them as much more powerful than the countdown peeps did.
Genis has no feats suggestive of being able to tank universe-busting energies. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAccording to the rules, if one of the combatants leaves the battlefield whatsoever, it counts as an automatic DQ.
I don't get this though.. you have to remove yourself from the battlefield for a specific amout of time.. Just like someone has to be put down for a little bit in order for it to count as a victory or KO. Same with BFR... Somebody can be thrown to another state... but if they instantly teleport back.. it matter not and that is not a BFR win. Same goes for this situation.. Genis just teleports out of the way of the blast.. and a second later could be right back where he was standing supreme. That isn't self bfr
So by that reasoning..nobody could ever teleport during a battle.. even if for a spit second being away from the battlefield or it's a loss? I think we need clarification on this ruling. If that were true people like The Runner would lose instantly as soon as he teleported. Even though, he's telporting beating the shit out of someone. I think there needs to be some clarification of this rule. It would be the same for the KO then.. even they were even out for a split second.. then it would be a KO.. even though they regained their composure in a second? That just makes zero sense to me.
That is the thing though... Genis wouldn't have to even teleport out of the universe would he? The blast was a fast moving blast not instantaneous. Thus, he would only need to teleport when it got to him(within the battlefield) to where the explosion originated from and expanding from at fast speeds. So we're talking about less than a second teleporation to merely get out of the way within the battlefield.