Insane Genis-Vell vs Monarch

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is the thing though... Genis wouldn't have to even teleport out of the universe would he? The blast was a fast moving blast not instantaneous. Thus, he would only need to teleport when it got to him(within the battlefield) to where the explosion originated from and expanding from at fast speeds. So we're talking about less than a second teleporation to merely get out of the way within the battlefield.

Regardless, it's like I've said a few times now: if both parties are fighting to the best of their ability, I doubt rupturing Monarch's armor would even come into play.

I agree my friend.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which is insignificant in comparison to a universe-worth of energy.

How Monitors were portrayed in Countdown is irrelevant. Bottom line: the energies Monarch released destroyed a universe. Nix Uotan used his shielding to tank those energies.

Genis has no feats suggestive of being able to tank universe-busting energies. Plain and simple.

According to the rules, if one of the combatants leaves the battlefield whatsoever, it counts as an automatic DQ.

Monarch's energies destroyed a universe. Genis has no feats indicative of being able to endure a universe-busting blast. To say he could survive said energies without any of his OWN feats to support it is not only horribly faulty, but downright wrong.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Originally posted by Galan007
Monarch's energies destroyed a universe. Genis has no feats indicative of being able to endure a universe-busting blast. To say he could survive said energies without any of his OWN feats to support it is not only horribly faulty, but downright wrong.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The blast wasn't all at once so the power behind it doesn't instantaneously destroy the universe only set off a chain reaction which Genis should survive.

Otherwise your opinion is, essentially, meaningless regarding this subject.

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Has the teleportation thing been agreed on?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Has the teleportation thing been agreed on?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
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Originally posted by Badabing
Yes, it's self BFR.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wait, what? Monarch's energies destroyed a universe. Genis has never demonstrated the ability to tank a blast of that magnitude. So if your stance is that he can survive the aforementioned, then the burden lies on you to PROVE so.

Otherwise your opinion is, essentially, meaningless regarding this subject.

^ I disagree entirely.

If Genis knows Monarch can be beaten via rupturing his armor, and knows the caliber of energies that would be released upon doing so (which he would *thx cosmic awareness*), then HE is making a cognisant CHOICE to still do so -- thus he also needs to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Point: If Genis decides to try an rupture Monarch's armor ftw, then he must also have a way to deal with the subsequent ramifications such an action would have. The energies released upon breaching Monarch's armor don't just.... Stop once his armor is ripped.

You fellas are digging deep. none

If the armor breach results in Genis getting KOed, killed, incapacitated, etc along with Monarch, then it's a double loss. A tie.

He wouldn't feel a breeze with a spacial sheet covering his body.

even if the blast from rupturing the suit did kill him couldn't genis just revive himself?

or he simply teleports to the orgin of the explosion where the energy would have since moved on and he's just fine.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I disagree entirely.

If Genis knows Monarch can be beaten via rupturing his armor, and knows the caliber of energies that would be released upon doing so (which he would *thx cosmic awareness*), then HE is making a cognisant CHOICE to still do so -- thus he also needs to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Point: If Genis decides to try an rupture Monarch's armor ftw, then he must also have a way to deal with the subsequent ramifications such an action would have. The energies released upon breaching Monarch's armor don't just.... Stop once his armor is ripped.

You fellas are digging deep. none

Or

Originally posted by "Id"
He wouldn't feel a breeze with a spacial sheet covering his body.

Originally posted by Badabing
Yes, it's self BFR.

Actually, this brings up a question... If Thanos was tossed by Hulk away from the battlefield but a second later Thanos teleports back. Is that a bfr win for hulk? I thought, much like KO's they had to be out for a period of time to count as a win

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually, this brings up a question... If Thanos was tossed by Hulk away from the battlefield but a second later Thanos teleports back. Is that a bfr win for hulk? I thought, much like KO's they had to be out for a period of time to count as a win

Hulk throwing Thanos away from the battlefield is not self BFR, it's Hulk using whatever advantage he may have to remove Thanos.

My opinion is BFR = a KMC loss regardless. A very specific feat of Thanos being BFRed against his will and then reappearing again in the same instant would be required. Thanos teleporting wouldn't be enough.

This helps stop some of the endless speculation and conjecture which drag on in some threads.