Zoom vs Darkseid

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Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong. Zoom's entire powerset is based around him being contained within his own bubble of time, divergent from the mainstream timeline. As his powers progressed, he simply learned to slide his time bubble forward and backward along the timeline -- allowing him to time travel.

i'll double check my collection but im pretty sure somewhere it's stated he can't move backwards.

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's Zoom chilling in 410AD:
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http://img444.imageshack.us/i/07qg5.jpg/

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i'll double check my collection but im pretty sure somewhere it's stated he can't move backwards.
You mean Barry's explanation?

Originally posted by Galan007

im not denying it im just saying im pretty sure it was stated but i could be wrong...i'll check and let everyone know tomorrow...im exhausted.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You mean Barry's explanation?

yes

Awesome avatar and sig man.

http://img638.imageshack.us/f/zoom2n.jpg/

You mean this?

Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong. Zoom's entire powerset is based around him being contained within his own bubble of time, which is divergent from the mainstream timeline. As his powers progressed, he simply learned to slide that time bubble forward and backward along the timeline -- allowing him to time travel.

"Like standing on a rolling ball. You can CONTROL it."


yes I remember zoom travel back time once. I forgot which issue, but I think it's poorly written. zoom manipulate time in his own time frame, he can stretch it to infinity, but he can't reverse time.

Originally posted by MrMind
yes I remember zoom travel back time once. I forgot which issue, but I think it's poorly written. zoom manipulate time in his own time frame, he can stretch it to infinity, but he can't reverse time.
That *was* Barry's theory though.

Zoom did gain the ability to go through things as well, so maybe his powers weren't fully discovered.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
im not denying it im just saying im pretty sure it was stated but i could be wrong...i'll check and let everyone know tomorrow...im exhausted.
It might have been stated when Hunter first debuted. But what you need to remember is that was also when Hunter had no control over his time bubble -- he could only stand still in time.

Nowadays he can literally become as fast or as slow as he wants. He even taught Eobard (a VERY adept speedster/temporal manipulator in his own right) a few new tricks.

Originally posted by MrMind
yes I remember zoom travel back time once. I forgot which issue, but I think it's poorly written. zoom manipulate time in his own time frame, he can stretch it to infinity, but he can't reverse time.

Time traveling =/= Reversing time

Originally posted by MrMind
like I said before
in theory, only 4 kinds of people can beat zoom
1. reality warpers
2. characters that zoom can't hurt
3. characters that can instantly reform themselves
4. toon force
however if we consider CIS, there could be more people that can beat zoom.
but with zoom's CIS off, I don't even see skyfather level can beat zoom. even characters like odin

I'm reluctantly forced to concede. 🙁

Galan was said Zoom can react before Darkseid can have a single thought. I trust his judgement.

Omega Vision: Yeah, I hear you. But Galan did acknowledge that DS had the power to remove Zoom's abilities, but he can't react fast enough.

His true form of course would win, but that's another story.

I do agree with either stomping Zoom or Zoom stomping the charrie he's faced against. There doesn't seem to be any room for middle ground with him on forums.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Time traveling =/= Reversing time

no shit, and I said zoom can't do that

Good sport.

Originally posted by Galan007
It might have been stated when Hunter first debuted. But what you need to remember is that was also when Hunter had no control over his time bubble -- he could only stand still in time.

Nowadays he can literally become as fast or as slow as he wants. He even taught Eobard (a VERY adept speedster/temporal manipulator in his own right) a few new tricks.

We said it at the same time (in a slightly different way).

Originally posted by MrMind
no shit, and I said zoom can't do that

If you know that, then what was the point mentioning it? No one claimed he can reverse time.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That *was* Barry's theory though.

Zoom did gain the ability to go through things as well, so maybe his powers weren't fully discovered.


until johns confirm zoom can time travel, I don't buy it

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I do agree with either stomping Zoom or Zoom stomping the charrie he's faced against. There doesn't seem to be any room for middle ground with him on forums.
Nah, he's too broken. Flash is almost there in this scenario. Almost.
Originally posted by MrMind
until johns confirm zoom can time travel, I don't buy it
Your choice. He has many times though. Both Zooms.

Originally posted by MrMind
until johns confirm zoom can time travel, I don't buy it

Why? The proof is right there, on panel, not to mention it's coming from one of the most unbiased posters here.

Originally posted by MrMind
yes I remember zoom travel back time once. I forgot which issue, but I think it's poorly written. zoom manipulate time in his own time frame, he can stretch it to infinity, but he can't reverse time.
He didn't reverse time itself. He slid his own time bubble backwards along the timeline.

Lets try something a bit easier... Take a ring and put it around a straw. Now take each side of the straw in your hands and tilt it up/down/right/left. See how the ring slides along the straw? The ring = Zoom's time bubble, and the straw = the mainstream timeline. That's basically how his time traveling abilities work -- he can slide the ring to any point of the straw he chooses.

Originally posted by MrMind
until johns confirm zoom can time travel, I don't buy it
Johns wrote Final Crisis: Rogues' Revenge, in which Zoom talked about his ability to time travel a few times. none

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you know that, then what was the point mentioning it? No one claimed he can reverse time.

when I said reverse time, I mean go back in time, which something he can't do. you and galan007 claim he can go back time, I don't agree.