Bart Allen Vs Nova

Started by dmills12 pages

Originally posted by Galan007
My only question is IF Nova can maintain a battle -on a planet- at speeds around, or greater than, light speed.

Flying really fast in a straight line through space just doesn't cut it.

As I said, I have scans of him moving, fighting, reacting, etc at high speed, but nothing that says "OMG he's moving at light speed or even sub-light speed within a planets' atmosphere!" Nova can manipulate forces associated with gravity, inertia etc, but he's still subject to the laws of physics :-)

Originally posted by dmills
but he's still subject to the laws of physics :-)
Bart -actually, the speed force in general- shits on that kind of stuff. 😉

It's a walking plot device.

Originally posted by Galan007
You misunderstand. I never said Nova isn't fast.

However, you seem to be confused about the VAST difference between flying in a straight line through the vacuum of space (which Nova is good at), and the FTL zig-zag type of battle speed -on a planet- that Flash excels at.

They are two completely different types of speed.
Assuming Flash just stands there and allows the gravity blast to hit him..? Come on.

Flash can perceive and react by the attosecond (one quintillionth of a second; one thousandth of a femtosecond.) He isn't getting touched if he doesn't want to.

Ok.. still not showing me how he's gonna tag Nova way up in the air? Plus you think he must have been going as slow as molasses for the Phalanx to have the need to use fancy calculations just to predict his movements. they were teleporting sentries just to tag him.

Originally posted by dmills
Out of curiosity who has Bart actually ko'ed? I doubt Rich goes down to a rapid punch barrage, who has Bart affected in such a way that it'll KO someone with Richs' durability? Nova is basically a living conduit for the nova force and will constantly have his energy replenished, so I'm gonna doubt a speed steal will be that easy.

Zoom for one. He drew blood from Prime and made him run away again. So yeah he'll be able to KO nova definitely. Also in his fight with zoom, they were moving so fast that they both started vibrating through everything, even each other. At one point, Bart was moving so fast that zoom lost track of him. Most would call it PIS but keep in mind, it took the absorption of the entire speed force for Bart to do this.

Also flashes aren't that easy to KO either. It took a "white dwarf star punch" to KO professor zoom. The speed force provides ridiculous protection for them, it's a hax.

The speed steal will work quite easily imo. Nova is drawing from the nova force, but Bart is literally his own dimension in this form. He is the speed force. Wally as a speed force user was able to drain the planet of it's speed on the fly in JLA. Bart has absorbed the entire speed force. He can and will drain nova. Also keep in mind that the majority of battles between high end speed force users last between nanoseconds and picoseconds in pretty much any instance that the timeframes are given, and like Galan said, some can think in femtoseconds and even attoseconds. This is referring to Wally, who has never absorbed the entire speed force. Bart has in this thread.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Plus you think he must have been going as slow as molasses for the Phalanx to have the need to use fancy calculations just to predict his movements. they were teleporting sentries just to tag him.
Let's try this again...

Nova was flying through space in a straight line at the time. It was definitely an impressive feat, I'm not trying to take anything away from it. But the fact is, it simply isn't the kind of speed he'd be able to use/need here. I literally can't be any clearer then that.

Going in a straight line is fine.

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line anyway.

What matters is acceleration. How fast does Nova go from 0 to Max speed? (not that it matters, he still loses in speed here)

Originally posted by Galan007
Let's try this again...

[b]Nova was flying through space in a straight line at the time. It was definitely an impressive feat, I'm not trying to take anything away from it. But the fact is, it simply isn't the kind of speed he'd be able to use/need here. I literally can't be any clearer then that. [/B]

lets try this again. how is Nova gonna get hit in the air? you're bringing up ure points I understand, but you still haven't commented on this.

weve already told you many times that flash can run on air and even speed drain which he doesnt even need to touch anyone.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
lets try this again. how is Nova gonna get hit in the air? you're bringing up ure points I understand, but you still haven't commented on this.
I haven't commented on it because it's a moot point.

Nova simply wouldn't have time to take to the air, before speed-God Bart spanked that ass... And even if he did it wouldn't change anything.

Originally posted by Galan007
I haven't commented on it because it's a moot point.

Nova simply wouldn't have time to take to the air, before speed-God Bart spanked that ass... And even if he did it wouldn't change anything.

battlefield rules say they are .5 km within line of sight of each other.
NP is not dumb especially with WM. he aint gonna be ground level knowing he's going up against a speedster. shields up, goes up higher in air, bart weighs like the Hoover Dam or Nova takes him up in the air to get KO'd.

oh btw, this chic gets made a centurion just a few panels before. she blitzes Phalanx sooo fast they dont even know wut hit them. thats impressive considering she isnt even Nova Prime level and the Phalanx are not ure ordinary dumb cyborgs. a centurion has like 1/1000 (im being generous here) of Nova Prime's power. I dont know why people keep underestimating Nova's combat speed.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_5_0004.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_5_0005.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_5_0007.jpg

just to reiterate my points earlier... I dont think he's going only in a sraight bee line...
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_v4_4_0009.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_v4_4_0015.jpg

.5km to someone with Zoom level speed may as well be 5 inches away.

what if he's .5 km in the air? battlefield rules say they have to start .5 km within line of sight from each other.
theres nothing in the battlefield rules that say they have to stay both on ground.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
what if he's .5 km in the air? battlefield rules say they have to start .5 km within line of sight from each other.
theres nothing in the battlefield rules that say they have to stay both on ground.

Why would Nova start in the air? Unless he's someone who naturally floats. I think they'd start in their natural state, which would be standing on solid ground for Nova.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
what if he's .5 km in the air? battlefield rules say they have to start .5 km within line of sight from each other.
theres nothing in the battlefield rules that say they have to stay both on ground.
Fight starts with Rich in lava.

There's nothing that says he doesn't.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why would Nova start in the air? Unless he's someone who naturally floats. I think they'd start in their natural state, which would be standing on solid ground for Nova.

he usually is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
he usually is.

Is he now?

Unless he spends all his time floating the natural thing would be for him to start on the ground. Or as Mindset pointed out, in lava. 😛

😂

In all my years on KMC, I can honestly say that I've never seen this level of digging. It's actually kind of sad.

either way, flash has the means to affect him. in the air or on the ground.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

In all my years on KMC, I can honestly say that I've never seen this level of digging. It's actually kind of sad.

Oh u mean like Weaponer having a good chance of beating Surfer?

😉