Theoretical feats contest

Originally posted by inimalist
you think starhawk could ko surfer, Thor or thanos before they could react?

Not to familiar with starhawk. Does he/she have comparable strength ?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I understand perfectly what you're saying - that there exist unquantifiable feats of strength, and that you can't accurately state how much strength they require, thus you can't state what would be needed in order to be stronger, no? (these are, of course just 2/5 questions that you try to hold on to as "unanswerable", but then again, the others involve Surfer)

If that's the case, would you say it's impossible to prove that a character is stronger than Thor, if the aforementioned character is from a different universe altogether and there are no direct encounters, or indirect comparisons pertaining to other characters? Based on your stance, of course.

🙂 Yes, you normally do.

Originally posted by inimalist
you think starhawk could ko surfer, Thor or thanos before they could react?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think the way Philo described it the question is more like assuming they had/have the strength/power to get the job done in a timely manner is their speed enough?

Originally posted by Philosophía
For the speed part, assume the character has adequate strength - as in he'd be able to knock Surfer/Thor/Thanos out in under 10-15 attacks - and the question is soley speed related.

Originally posted by paisapower
Not to familiar with starhawk. Does he/she have comparable strength ?

no, but he satisfies the speed qualifications you listed. he can go ftl instantly, but would never put down surfer, at least not in 10-15 attacks

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think the way Philo described it the question is more like assuming they had/have the strength/power to get the job done in a timely manner is their speed enough?

Originally posted by Philosophía
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whatever, I'm just sayin

Originally posted by inimalist

whatever, I'm just sayin

Originally posted by Philosophía
This thread isn't about Superman, to make that clear.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I understand perfectly what you're saying - that there exist unquantifiable feats of strength, and that you can't accurately state how much strength they require, thus you can't state what would be needed in order to be stronger, no? (these are, of course just 2/5 questions that you try to hold on to as "unanswerable", but then again, the others involve Surfer)

nothing to do with surfer, the other ones just don't work for a different reason, which you cleared up and I had missed when you posted earlier. I think the thanos one would be tough, because of his durability and reflexes. ya, I can't say specifically, but to hit thanos and surfer 10-15 times before they can react, you are going to need many multiples of light speed... I think Thor would be less, but not by much, in Mighty Thor he is cruising around the solar system at a pretty good speed.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If that's the case, would you say it's impossible to prove that a character is stronger than Thor, if the aforementioned character is from a different universe altogether and there are no direct encounters, or indirect comparisons pertaining to other characters? Based on your stance, of course.

I actually sort of go with newjak on this. I would classify someone like Thor, at his upper limit, as being as-strong-as-the-plot-needs-him-to-be-to-move-forward. Same with other top tier strength characters. So, when it comes to judging which of these characters are "stronger", I sort of fall back on characterization and powerset (and how much I like the character 😉). I can't claim the same knowledge of characters that some people can, so I might be putting my foot in my mouth, but from what I've seen, exotic stuff aside, there is no fundamental difference in strength between supes and thor, at least, not one that would be decisive in a fight. However, because someone like the Hulk's superpower is essentially "strength", I give the nod to him over the two of them in a test of raw strength, because he has those same as-strong-as-the-plot-needs moments, but is more centered around the fact he is just raw strength.

ha, sorry, I'm sure this just sounds like rambling... my best answer would be you could probably show that a character is more centered around or has better consistent non-exotic feats of strength, but in terms of "upper limit", these top tier characters are based around whatever the plot requires of them, rather than a strict limit. I'm not saying its PIS, I totally think they should be that strong, I'm more saying that as the person with the "strength" power they do "strong" things.

for the sake of not dredging up the surfer ig blitz argument, thanos can be blitzed by a fast opponent, fast being ...idunno iron man level.

getting the knock out is a different story

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But Ultraman seemed to lift it by himself, which either means Ultraman>>>>superman in the arc where they were portrayed as equal (I mean didn't the big blue guy (can never remember his name) say they were to halves of the same whole?) or it only takes superman level strength to lift it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Billy and Superman struggled to lift it.. and superman ASKED for help. Come on PR.. clearly those two things are mutually inclusive of one another via the writers intent.

Superman asked for help BEFORE he tried to lift it, so there was nothing to hint that he actually needed Billy's help.

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As for everyone else: This isn't a bait thread, and it's clearly not about Superman, so guys, either answer the questions that have been posted, contribute to the discussion, or simply don't post.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
for the sake of not dredging up the surfer ig blitz argument, thanos can be blitzed by a fast opponent, fast being ...idunno iron man level.

getting the knock out is a different story

oh, for sure, and I've seen threads about thanos vs people who aren't ftl turn into 25 pages of argument over that scan alone

i don't know the details, and this is hardly the place to bring it up lol

yeah, those people were me biscuits

I love how everybody is so butthurt over this thread, even in others. I wonder why? haermm

Originally posted by inimalist
ha, sorry, I'm sure this just sounds like rambling...

it's impossible to prove that a character is stronger than Thor, if the aforementioned character is from a different universe altogether and there are no direct encounters, or indirect comparisons pertaining to other characters.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's ok though, you practically just reinforced what I said.

well, I'd say its impossible to put an upper limit on thor's strength, but I would say it is possible to know who is stronger.

Like I said, I would personally say hulk is probably "stronger"

Potentially? Maybe. To get to where Superman is at going all out, you have to pretty damn high.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfCardboardSpeech

There's a reason this trope is named after him. galan_superman

cause it was named after what he said in the cartoon.......

comic characters major source of popularity is from mainstream tv/movies, not from actual lines from comics

Originally posted by psycho gundam
for the sake of not dredging up the surfer ig blitz argument, thanos can be blitzed by a fast opponent, fast being ...idunno iron man level.

getting the knock out is a different story

Originally posted by psycho gundam
cause it was named after what he said in the cartoon.......

comic characters major source of popularity is from mainstream tv/movies, not from actual lines from comics

Superman is still the king of this trope in comics.

Vs. the Elite and Manchester Black:
Superman:"I wouldn't have it any other way. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear... until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share - I'll never stop fighting. Ever. "

Vs. General Zod (not sure which one):
Superman: "I can't take your life, much as I'm tempted. But my code doesn't say a damn thing about not battering you to within an inch of it, murderer! "

those are not examples of it btw

a closer one would be when he let convict deck him just so he could sort of feel like he can actually hit someone hard without dislocating their soul.

also his fights with doomsday (any time). he doesn't have to say the lines but you know when he fights doomsday he means it.

Originally posted by 753
Im making it up, just like you made up that the book actually weighed anything. it clearly doesnt follow physical laws as it has an inifinite number of pages but not infinite volume. so why would it have infinite weight? comic itself says nothing of the weight, just says they struggled, which should be more symbolic than anything. [/B]

I really dont think this is a feat worth talking about. The book was heavy. But It obviously wasnt infinite in weight. In the very same issue Superman was shown to have a pretty clear limit on his strength when he couldnt stop that 70 mile alien ship from crashing. Then a few pages later he goes to some magical wacky dimension and finds a book with infinite pages but a finite volume (that looks in fact like any other book) and he lifts it with much less effort.