The Avengers vs The X-men

During Infinity War, Thor frees himself from Moondragon's and the Goddess' mental manipulations of Thor's mind, from Infinity Watch #21.

The Goddess gives an explanation on the following pages of that scan.

Direct mental blasts from Moondragon's Mind Gem are equally useless during the Blood and Thunder arc in Thor #469:

Warrior Madness Thor.

And Moondragon does well considering that.

Thor is also the first Avenger to realize Morgana's warping of the world using her magic, the Scarlet Witch's power and the Twilight Sword and then resist her domination over his mind, in Avengers vol. 3 #2. [/B]

Not telepathy.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
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The Egyptian god, Horus, uses the Eye of Horus to subdue Thor but is unsuccessful in Thor #240.

Thor casts out Loki's spiritual influence from his mind in Thor Annual #19.

I can give you these two...because I'm not arsed to go and check up on them. Not sure if either are telepathy the Horus one seems closer to telepathy then the Loki one. But both seem more magic orientated but it really doesn't matter. Maybe someone else can chime on this.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not Telepathy and he's been influenced by Venus singing btw.

Not telepathy either but just for anyone who's interested.

None of the TP users start out by ganging up on a single person, the other side might as well say that Thor starts out by using a massed lightning attack to take out 2/3rd's of the X-men, including the TP users.

He could also cause a flood or tornado, or if he's feeling frisky, all 3.

Originally posted by Silent Master
None of the TP users start out by ganging up on a single person, the other side might as well say that Thor starts out by using a massed lightning attack to take out 2/3rd's of the X-men, including the TP users.

very true.
Avengers have this

Originally posted by Silent Master
None of the TP users start out by ganging up on a single person, the other side might as well say that Thor starts out by using a massed lightning attack to take out 2/3rd's of the X-men, including the TP users.

He could also cause a flood or tornado, or if he's feeling frisky, all 3.

I don't think they need to gang up on anyone. They have feats to show that they can attack more then one person at a time. Other instances of note with Thor and telepathy: Sersi has confounded with illusion, Dr. Spectrum has gotten him, Bedlam has gotten him a second time as well and so has Moondragon on another instance that wasn't posted in this thread.

I can see Iron Man and WWH lasting after that attack. Iron Man for some reason doesn't switch on his TP blockers all the time (recent Avengers 8 I think??). But for this thread I'll assume his battle ready. I think Iceman could dehydrate him though.

I don't see how the X-Men can dispose of WWH.

BTW Even if we assume Thor gets the first shot, Northstar and Aurora are fast enough to move the TP users away from harm.

Jean can shield them telekinetically too.

The Avengers win but because of WWH.

Originally posted by Silent Master
None of the TP users start out by ganging up on a single person, the other side might as well say that Thor starts out by using a massed lightning attack to take out 2/3rd's of the X-men, including the TP users.

He could also cause a flood or tornado, or if he's feeling frisky, all 3.

Thor has better speed and reaction feats than the TP users do, that would mean his attack starts first and it would be very difficult for them, to attack mentally while dealing with lightning/flood/tornado or a combo of the 3.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor has better speed and reaction feats than the TP users do, that would mean his attack starts first and it would be very difficult for them, to attack mentally while dealing with lightning/flood/tornado or a combo of the 3.

I'd argue that from the majority of his showings against people who have human reaction times that they don't seem to be at that much of a disadvantange speedwise.

But again, even if you were to assume his attack is faster, Northstar and Aurora are much faster, can fly and keep the Telepaths safe long enough so that they can attack.

WWH wins this for the Avengers.

Illusions, at least the way sersi and dr. spectrum or dr strange cast them, are not telepathy. it is just visualized projections, so getting confused by them has nothing to do with psionic resistance.

anyway if Thor starts the fight with an omnidirectional attack a-la Durok no one from the team can shield them and the twins cannot move faster than light to save them

Originally posted by Warlord
Illusions, at least the way sersi and dr. spectrum or dr strange cast them, are not telepathy. it is just visualized projections, so getting confused by them has nothing to do with psionic resistance.

anyway if Thor starts the fight with an omnidirectional attack a-la Durok no one from the team can shield them and the twins cannot move faster than light to save them

Sersi would be telepathy though. Regardless their are plenty of examples on the previous page which are telepathy.

Twins got an upgrade, they react and move at light speed. I think it was the Children of the Vault arc.

CIS is on he's not going to hit them with something that will kill them.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'd argue that from the majority of his showings against people who have human reaction times that they don't seem to be at that much of a disadvantange speedwise.

But again, even if you were to assume his attack is faster, Northstar and Aurora are much faster, can fly and keep the Telepaths safe long enough so that they can attack.

WWH wins this for the Avengers.

Except, there are seven other Avengers there helping Thor.

Like I said, the Avengers just have better heavy hitters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except, there are seven other Avengers there helping Thor.

Like I said, the Avengers just have better heavy hitters.

The telepaths are faster then those Avengers, the only ones left after a TP attack would be Iron Man and WWH.

And WWH will win it for them.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The telepaths are faster then those Avengers, the only ones left after a TP attack would be Iron Man and WWH.

And WWH will win it for them.

The TP users are either out of the fight or being distracted by the flood/lightning/tornados.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Sersi would be telepathy though. Regardless their are plenty of examples on the previous page which are telepathy.

Twins got an upgrade, they react and move at light speed. I think it was the Children of the Vault arc.

CIS is on he's not going to hit them with something that will kill them.

No sersi's illusions are visual projections too forming from cosmic power control. i remember her creating them from her hands. she can of course create mental illusions too as she's a telepath but the ones i've seen were as described above

the upgrade is no longer on from what I've heard.
and CIS on he can hit them with something that can knock them out.
there are examples also that suggest he is resistant enough to unleash an omnidiractional attack.

anyway Thor and Hulk win this

Originally posted by Silent Master
The TP users are either out of the fight or being distracted by the flood/lightning/tornados.

If Aurora and Northstar are holding on to the TP users while keeping them safe from whatever, then they're free to attack the Avengers and take out half that team including Thor.

I think Iceman, Magma would survive an attack like that too.

Originally posted by Warlord
No sersi's illusions are visual projections too forming from cosmic power control. i remember her creating them from her hands. she can of course create mental illusions too as she's a telepath but the ones i've seen were as described above

That's fine. But there are no examples showing that he could do that with 3 high order telepaths freezing him.

the upgrade is no longer on from what I've heard.
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I don't recall this, I've kept tabs on Northstar since he joined the X-Men. I have seen nothing stating that he lost his upgrade which he got when he joined the X-Men.

WWH wins this.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If Aurora and Northstar are holding on to the TP users while keeping them safe from whatever, then they're free to attack the Avengers and take out half that team including Thor.

I think Iceman, Magma would survive an attack like that too.

Assuming that the TP users weren't taken out in the initial attack, Thor can easily keep up the pressure and while N&A might be able to go lightspeed, can they do so while carrying people with human level durability?

^ IIRC KM was talking about this in some other post.
I could be wrong.

anyway I also think that he would fall against 3 high end telepaths IF they would be going at him for some time.

which clearly won't be the case here

Originally posted by Silent Master
Assuming that the TP users weren't taken out in the initial attack, Thor can easily keep up the pressure and while N&A might be able to go lightspeed, can they do so while carrying people with human level durability?

They wouldn't be because Aurora and Northstar are fast enough to get to them. And once they get to him all they need is to think and half the team go down.

Not sure but I've seen them carry stuff safely using their superspeed.. It'll be near c. Still much faster then thor.

If we had one telepath there. I'd be like fair enough. But we have 3. 😬

WWH will take this.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Still much faster then thor.

Thor has gone c x 3 but in any case they'd have to be faster than magic energies not Thor himself

Originally posted by Warlord
Thor has gone c x 3 but in any case they'd have to be faster than magic energies not Thor himself

Thor on average is not that fast combat speed wise. And that's flight speed not reaction speed. And is he really going to lash out on his team mates with an omni-directional attack?

BTW I'm not sure what post of KM you're referring to. I haven't seen anything to suggest they lost their upgrade.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
They wouldn't be because Aurora and Northstar are fast enough to get to them. And once they get to him all they need is to think and half the team go down.

Not sure but I've seen them carry stuff safely using their superspeed.. It'll be near c. Still much faster then thor.

If we had one telepath there. I'd be like fair enough. But we have 3. 😬

WWH will take this.

Aurora and Northstar would have to notice that the TP users are in trouble first and they'll be dodging lightning/floods/tornados themselves, so there is no guarantee that they'll notice in time.

Show some scans of them carry people with human level durability where their speed is listed or implied to be near c.