Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, is it like an elseworld's story? And just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it's not apart of the dc multiverse (note, I said multiverse), because DC keeps on retconning the DC abstract hierarchy. Remember Synnar as he beat down Michael Durmigoes.
Originally posted by MrMind
if lucifer series is within dc, then wouldn't elaine belloc be in charge of dc not presence?
I don't think DC is EVER clear about who is in charge. Also, note that some of the Elseworld stories have been apart of the DC Multiverse. Remember, Batman Red Rain in Countdown and Batman Beyond as well. When Jason Todd, Donna, and Kyle went on a trip around the multiverse.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, is it like an elseworld's story? And just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it's not apart of the dc multiverse (note, I said multiverse), because DC keeps on retconning the DC abstract hierarchy. Remember Synnar as he beat down Michael Durmigoes.
When did he beat down Michael?? 😘 Don't remember seeing him there in the scans.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I believe they showed the Spectre and Michael. Anyway, it was Synnar who created the multiverse, right?
From what Synnar said he took credit for it in his story, though we saw God/The Presence talking to Samael, Michael and Gabriel about the multiverse they would create for him. Starlin usually has his stories retconned and this will probably be one of those times it happens (again).
Originally posted by MindsetPossibly. But it's hard to imagine him warping God's power, against Lucifer's will (as Lucifer's will > all, more or less.) /shrug
Couldn't Solar do the same?
Originally posted by Prep-ManVertigo may be published by DC, but the events of the Lucifer series aren't canon to the mainstream DCU... If that's what you're asking.
I'm not really debating with you here, but how can you explain it not being in dc continuity when we have seen a bunch of characters (including Lucifer) in the dcu?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
It's in the realm of the dc multiverse. Death was in Lucifer, along with a cameo of John Constantine. Both who are apart of the dcu.
It's not really concrete tbh.
Swamp Thing/Hellblazer/Sandman/Lucifer are all within the same universe, but events have been referenced in the normal DCU from that universe (Dream appearing in Morrison's JLA, Zauriel and MM both talk of events that happened in the Vertigo-verse, and Dream talks of Morpheus' debt to "that little universe"😉, but there're lots of differences which imply they're not the same universe.
Originally posted by MrMind
lucifer exist in dcu true, but why should lucifer series be canon when it doesn't fit in the dc continuity and never got acknowledged by dc.
It is acknowldged by DC. The endless have met Rao (The red sun of superman's homeplanet Krypton), The specter has fought Michael, and J'onn has met Dream. They're all in the DCU, I think that it's just that they're too important to get involved with the Justice league and the like all the time. I mean, these are archangels and semi-supreme entities we're talking about...
^ Years ago, Vertigo and DC characters used to interact fairly regularly. But in more recent times (mid 90's-mid 2000's) we rarely ever saw any type of interaction between them -- the staff at Vertigo did not want to be associated with the mainstream DCU whatsoever. Current continuity, however, has started (re)introducing Vertigo characters back into the mainstream DCU (Death of the Endless' random appearance was only the start.) If I had to guess I'd say the only reason behind 'merging continuities' is to make $ (DC finally played the "we own you, so it's our way or the highway" card with Vertigo.)
Regardless, the Lucifer series still took place in a completely separate continuity.