^ Yes, that was Vertigo's Lucifer -- hence why I used the phrase: "rarely ever saw any type of interaction between them." 😛
There were a few other isolated instances within the timeframe I mentioned, in which DC and Vertigo characters interacted (Morpheus' funeral, for one), but those are -very- few and far between. But now we are going to start regularaly seeing Vertigo characters in mainstream DC (which I disagree with.)
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Yes, that was Vertigo's Lucifer -- hence why I used the phrase: "rarely ever saw any type of interaction between them." 😛There were a few other isolated instances within the timeframe I mentioned, in which DC and Vertigo characters interacted (Morpheus' funeral, for one), but those are -very- few and far between. But now we are going to start regularaly seeing Vertigo characters in mainstream DC (which I disagree with.)
Get ready for Lucifer to mkae a come back and threaten the DC Multiverse. Only to be beaten by the combined attacks of Batkick and Superman's heat vision! Brought to you by Eisner award winner, Geof Johns!! 😱
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Get ready for Lucifer to mkae a come back and threaten the DC Multiverse. Only to be beaten by the combined attacks of Batkick and Superman's heat vision! Brought to you by Eisner award winner, Geof Johns!! 😱
Be honest. He might actually be able to do something awesome with Lucifer. 😱
Originally posted by kevdude
From what Synnar said he took credit for it in his story, though we saw God/The Presence talking to Samael, Michael and Gabriel about the multiverse they would create for him. Starlin usually has his stories retconned and this will probably be one of those times it happens (again).
How many times has Starlin been retconned? Because I only know about DOTNG, and maybe Marvel:The End.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Yes, that was Vertigo's Lucifer -- hence why I used the phrase: "rarely ever saw any type of interaction between them." 😛There were a few other isolated instances within the timeframe I mentioned, in which DC and Vertigo characters interacted (Morpheus' funeral, for one), but those are -very- few and far between. But now we are going to start regularaly seeing Vertigo characters in mainstream DC (which I disagree with.)
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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Be honest. He might actually be able to do something awesome with Lucifer. 😱How many times has Starlin been retconned? Because I only know about DOTNG, and maybe Marvel:The End.
Well Cosmic Odyssey was retconned then when he returned he reversed and revised it in DOTNG to flow with what he thought it should be. Then in Final Crisis, Grant Morrison attempts to reconcile the Starlin version of the Anti-Life Equation with his own version, by suggesting that the Equation is indeed sentient (as Starlin suggests) and that even after "mastering" the Equation, Darkseid still does not understand the true horrific nature of what the Anti-Life Equation is and its relationship with God/The Source.
Yo.
Originally posted by MrMind
I know that, but just because they are the same character doesn't mean the death in lucifer series is canon. lucifer series simply doesn't fit in the dc continuity. dc has never referenced elaine belloc
from wat I remember, both and version of Death seen in the DCU is Gaimans Death, and she *has been seen* in the mainstream DCU, same as Dream & Destiny (I remember Gaiman took issue over Dream showing up in JLA, and Death had met Cpt. Atom or some such.......)
and since Zatanna, P.Stranger, Demon, and a few others have made appearances on the Vertigo stuff, Id say theres enuff to show that theyre connected AND canon.........but theres just NO interaction.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.from wat I remember, both and version of Death seen in the DCU is Gaimans Death, and she *has been seen* in the mainstream DCU, same as Dream & Destiny (I remember Gaiman took issue over Dream showing up in JLA, and Death had met Cpt. Atom or some such.......)
and since Zatanna, P.Stranger, Demon, and a few others have made appearances on the Vertigo stuff, Id say theres enuff to show that theyre connected AND canon.........but theres just NO interaction.
Tazer
Yo.
ummmmm........last I remem Morrison told the us (thru his run on JLA) that Yahweh/God/the Lord Almighty/da Big-@$$'d Hand Which We See At The Beginning Of Everything/whomever had left Creation and couldnt be found, and thats mostly responsible for the uprising which Azmodel staged to claim power for himself.
so, Id say yur wrong on that. 😉
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.ummmmm........last I remem Morrison told the us (thru his run on JLA) that Yahweh/God/the Lord Almighty/da Big-@$$'d Hand Which We See At The Beginning Of Everything/whomever had left Creation and couldnt be found, and thats mostly responsible for the uprising which Azmodel staged to claim power for himself.
so, Id say yur wrong on that. 😉
Tazer
Nah, Asmodel wanted to succeed where Lucifer failed. There was no mention of God being absent from creation.
Besides, that was written before the Lucifer series even started.
Originally posted by MrMind
some of the vertigo stuff are canon, like sandman.
but lucifer series simply is not. Yahweh took off and let elaine took control of the multiverse. that event doesn't match in dcu.
so yes there's death, lucifer or sandman in dcu. but what characters did in lucifer series are simply NON-CANON. in other words it didn't happen as far as dc concerned
I'm pretty sure Sandman isn't canon to the mainstream DCU, and it's also pretty clear Sandman and Lucifer take place in the same universe (at least imo)- Lucifer as a series only occurs because of events that took place during Sandman, Constantine/Lucifer appeared in each others books and Hellblazer was most definitely in the same universe as Sandman.
I guess it's really personal opinion, but I take Sandman/Swamp Thing/Lucifer/Hellblazer as their own universe which has similarities to the normal DCU.