Solar, Man Of The Atom vs Lucifer Morningstar with Demiurgic power

Originally posted by illadelph12
If Superman beats Lucifer DC's completely jumped the shark with him as a character. The Mandrakk thing was hardly bearable as it stands now.

This is Solar ill old pal or am I missing something?

Originally posted by Martial Artist
Lucifer has limitless power; but, Solar has limitless absorption and manipulation of power. Stalemate.

Michael has limitless power; Lucifer has infinite will.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Michael has limitless power; Lucifer has infinite will.

Actually Lucifer and Michael were portrayed pretty much as equals; however, read the thread stipulation.

Originally posted by Martial Artist
Actually Lucifer and Michael were portrayed pretty much as equals; however, read the thread stipulation.

What about my statement says otherwise?

In a pure "physical" confrontation Lucifer still wins. He controls more than just matter and energy.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
What about my statement says otherwise?

In a pure "physical" confrontation Lucifer still wins. He controls more than just matter and energy.

Solar at the end could control everything even magic and Darque energy. Thing is; he was god. It would not be physical.

Originally posted by Martial Artist
Solar at the end could control everything even magic and Darque energy. Thing is; he was god. It would not be physical.

Solar can control all types of energy (and by extensions all types of matter). But can he recall souls back to the deceased? Openly defy the very concept of Death incarnate?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Solar can control all types of energy (and by extensions all types of matter). But can he recall souls back to the deceased? Openly defy the very concept of Death incarnate?

He recreated a Universe with everyone in it. So I guess so.

Originally posted by Martial Artist
He recreated a Universe with everyone in it. So I guess so.

That's not the same thing. :/

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
That's not the same thing. :/

Isn't it? It means he returned the sould to their own times in Unity. and when he created the Malibuverse from the Valiant verse.

Originally posted by Martial Artist
Isn't it? It means he returned the sould to their own times in Unity. and when he created the Malibuverse from the Valiant verse.

Did he, or was that time travel?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Did he, or was that time travel?

It had been destroyed and as a Universe is spacetime, we can assume he reconstructed everything. The problem is the definition of a soul. Is it esoteric or energy and is it the same thing in vertigo as valiant. Night mate.

Originally posted by Martial Artist
It had been destroyed and as a Universe is spacetime, we can assume he reconstructed everything. The problem is the definition of a soul. Is it esoteric or energy and is it the same thing in vertigo as valiant. Night mate.

Well then the whole thing comes down to differences in universes, and it's not fair to use those to support one or the other.

Yo.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Nah, Asmodel wanted to succeed where Lucifer failed. There was no mention of God being absent from creation.

Besides, that was written before the Lucifer series even started.

which doesnt make a diff at all, and IIRC God/The Presence being missing was mentioned in both JLA & the _Paradise Lost_ mini.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

which doesnt make a diff at all, and IIRC God/The Presence being missing was mentioned in both JLA & the _Paradise Lost_ mini.

Tazer

Which were ultimately both wrong as God was never in the Throne Room in the first place. He was imbued in all of creation and Asmodel was too stupid to realize it.

Paradise Lost was written two years before the Lucifer series started. They have no connection whatsoever.

Yo.

unless in _Lucifer_ it was said Yahweh had JUST LEFT, the time between the 2 series doesnt mean anything, and the explanation given in _JLA😛L_ doesnt necessarily run counter to wat happend in it.

and despite *all of that*, the characters seen in as existing in both product lines are the exactly the same; DC just like to keep their more mature stuff separated from the generic fluff, but they ARE in the same universe.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

unless in _Lucifer_ it was said Yahweh had JUST LEFT, the time between the 2 series doesnt mean anything, and the explanation given in _JLA😛L_ doesnt necessarily run counter to wat happend in it.

and despite *all of that*, the characters seen in as existing in both product lines are the exactly the same; DC just like to keep their more mature stuff separated from the generic fluff, but they ARE in the same universe.

Tazer

Face the facts: God never left the universe in Paradise Lost. Asmodel was ignorant of His nature and believed Him to be the individual ruler of reality (which would necessitate the existence of the Throne Room). Yet when he broke into it God was not there. In fact God was never in the Throne Room in the first place.

Yahweh did not leave at the beginning of Lucifer. Besides, if JLA and Lucifer describe the same events then they contradict each other so heavily that you must choose one or the other. In fact a lot of concepts and places in Lucifer are not reflected in DC continuity.

Yo.

they dont necessarily have to be reflected in the DCU proper; how often was "Sub Diego" referrenced any other book other than Aquaman? how often was _Haven_??

U can believe wat U want, but the characters who existed in the DCU pre-Vertigo are the same that had their tales told under that banner.

Tazer

Lucy

Stalemate.