Originally posted by h1a8This isn't up for debate. You are trying to avoid the obvious which is Thor not holding back is less than thor not holding back with the power gem. Changing his intentions is asinine and doesn't make sense like most no all of your arguments.
I know. But that has nothing to do withA non holding back Thor>>>a normal Thor with PG (for first hour).
Here Thor would most likely hold back (some argued that he won't) and thus making him weaker with the PG (in the first hour) than if he didn't hold back in the first place.
Actually, it is a better fight if Thor doesn't have the gem. Otherwise Glads can take it and it will be spite now.
Originally posted by h1a8
I know. But that has nothing to do withA non holding back Thor>>>a normal Thor with PG (for first hour).
Here Thor would most likely hold back (some argued that he won't) and thus making him weaker with the PG (in the first hour) than if he didn't hold back in the first place.
Actually, it is a better fight if Thor doesn't have the gem. Otherwise Glads can take it and it will be spite now.
but its Gladiator that Thor is facing here, He wont hold back. But for the sake of your argument, even if Thor did start out at "normal levels" it wont take him an hour to stop holding back. even without utilizing the power gem he can just let loose. Its not like he needs to amp to unleash his full power. He's not like the Hulk who gets stronger as he gets madder. He just has to you now, stop holding back. so the one hour argument doesn't really hold.
besides, even though Thor is not known for his speed, he does have enough reaction speed to counter Gladiator so..yeah, Gladiator isn't wrestling the power gem from Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
I know. But that has nothing to do withA non holding back Thor>>>a normal Thor with PG (for first hour).
Here Thor would most likely hold back (some argued that he won't) and thus making him weaker with the PG (in the first hour) than if he didn't hold back in the first place.
Actually, it is a better fight if Thor doesn't have the gem. Otherwise Glads can take it and it will be spite now.
Where are you getting this "for first hour" thing from?
Why would he hold back and not tap the power gem for an entire hour against someone on Glad's power level, a power level he is familiar with?
He holds back against lesser beings and fights on their level because it's honorable, he knows Glads is very powerful so why would he begin the fight holding back?
And again, what are you basing this hour time limit on?
Originally posted by BigSid
Where are you getting this "for first hour" thing from?Why would he hold back and not tap the power gem for an entire hour against someone on Glad's power level, a power level he is familiar with?
He holds back against lesser beings and fights on their level because it's honorable, he knows Glads is very powerful so why would he begin the fight holding back?
And again, what are you basing this hour time limit on?
Thor from blood and thunder hasn't shown to have increased his strength beyond 2x more. He was only stated to tap into the gem when he backlashed Strange's beam and when he was in the force block. I'll accept that the gem amped him a little (not more than 2x) as a normal Thor has shown equal or better strength countless other times. Thor has no feats with the PG to suggest that he was more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
but its Gladiator that Thor is facing here, He wont hold back. But for the sake of your argument, even if Thor did start out at "normal levels" it wont take him an hour to stop holding back. even without utilizing the power gem he can just let loose. Its not like he needs to amp to unleash his full power. He's not like the Hulk who gets stronger as he gets madder. He just has to you now, stop holding back. so the one hour argument doesn't really hold.besides, even though Thor is not known for his speed, he does have enough reaction speed to counter Gladiator so..yeah, Gladiator isn't wrestling the power gem from Thor.
Reactions has nothing to do with speed of one's own movement. It is possible to have FTL reactions but can only move one's limbs at human speed. I can see a bullet travel in slow motion but if Im too slow then I will fail to get out of the way. I would just be watching my doom in slow motion.
If Glads, using his speed, can move more than 5ft before Thor moves 1in then how could Thor defend against Glads taking the gem? How would Thor defend against being comboed to ko before he even gains enough power from the PG?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Omniblasting, siccing Mjolnir to home in on Gladiator, massive weather manipulation, absolute and utter ownage, etc.
Thor in character wouldn't normally Omniblast (it wasn't a true omniblast since there were spaces free of lightning in which Glads can escape to). If that is the case then Superman starts off speed blitzing everytime (which I would like). Mjolnir wouldn't home in on Glads if Thor is getting rocked (assuming Thor can throw the hammer faster than Glads laces him). Thor has no time to do anything exotic here. Trying manipulate the weather would cause him to lose even faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor in character wouldn't normally Omniblast (it wasn't a true omniblast since there were spaces free of lightning in which Glads can escape to). If that is the case then Superman starts off speed blitzing everytime (which I would like). Mjolnir wouldn't home in on Glads if Thor is getting rocked (assuming Thor can throw the hammer faster than Glads laces him). Thor has no time to do anything exotic here. Trying manipulate the weather would cause him to lose even faster.
Thor doesn't do massive AoE attacks which splinter off in multiple if not all directions when he's so inclined? Yes, it would; Thor being "rocked" doesn't disrupt Mjolnir's enchantment and Mjolnir has shown the ability to assail targets as Thor's focus is elsewhere. The hammer's flown at speeds far far far far greater than light. On the off chance the intial strike misses Glads, the return pass won't. Manipulating weather isn't exotic for Thor, and he's done that while actively being attacked.
Your knowledge of Thor seems to be grasped on random scans instead of the character's history and background and actual comics as a whole.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'll assume Thor wouldn't hold back. But wouldn't Thor have fear of killing Glads? If so, then he's not just going to unleash everything he has knowing he might kill Glads.Thor from blood and thunder hasn't shown to have increased his strength beyond 2x more. He was only stated to tap into the gem when he backlashed Strange's beam and when he was in the force block. I'll accept that the gem amped him a little (not more than 2x) as a normal Thor has shown equal or better strength countless other times. Thor has no feats with the PG to suggest that he was more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Reactions has nothing to do with speed of one's own movement. It is possible to have FTL reactions but can only move one's limbs at human speed. I can see a bullet travel in slow motion but if Im too slow then I will fail to get out of the way. I would just be watching my doom in slow motion.
If Glads, using his speed, can move more than 5ft before Thor moves 1in then how could Thor defend against Glads taking the gem? How would Thor defend against being comboed to ko before he even gains enough power from the PG?
You didn't answer my question about where you were getting this hour time limit from?
Originally posted by BigSidJust a guess since the rate in which the PG was amping Thor was miniscule. He didn't appear stronger in any way. A normal non holding back Thor has to power to do what this Thor did (with the exception of the Strange Warlock feat).
You didn't answer my question about where you were getting this hour time limit from?
Originally posted by h1a8
I'll assume Thor wouldn't hold back. But wouldn't Thor have fear of killing Glads? If so, then he's not just going to unleash everything he has knowing he might kill Glads.Thor from blood and thunder hasn't shown to have increased his strength beyond 2x more. He was only stated to tap into the gem when he backlashed Strange's beam and when he was in the force block. I'll accept that the gem amped him a little (not more than 2x) as a normal Thor has shown equal or better strength countless other times. Thor has no feats with the PG to suggest that he was more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Reactions has nothing to do with speed of one's own movement. It is possible to have FTL reactions but can only move one's limbs at human speed. I can see a bullet travel in slow motion but if Im too slow then I will fail to get out of the way. I would just be watching my doom in slow motion.
If Glads, using his speed, can move more than 5ft before Thor moves 1in then how could Thor defend against Glads taking the gem? How would Thor defend against being comboed to ko before he even gains enough power from the PG?
No, as already mentioned, Thor has fought Gladiator on multiple occasions. He already knows that Gladiator can take a whole lota punishment. So that argument doesn't hold water
There is Zero information on how much the PG amped Thor so its pointless to assume anything. All we know is that it amped him and that given time he would be a universal threat as implied by Eternity
Yes, reaction speed has a lot to do with speed. your argument can go two way, what use is FTL speed if you cant react fast enough. you could have ftl movement but can only perceive at human speed you wont ever ever ever be able to dodge a bullet coz you'll never see it coming as you can only perceive at human speed.
Besides, Thor has enough feats that shows that He can handle speedsters or light speed attacks. Thor can an will be able to counter Gladiator's speed.
plus your combo to KO argument also holds no water. Gladiator has always used his superspeed against Thor. He has also tried blitzing Thor but never have we seen Thor KOed. Why is that? The only time that i can recall that Thor got knocked out by Gladiator was when he reverted back to human form. Thor is durable enough to take it. So no, Thor won't be comboed to KO.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor in character wouldn't normally Omniblast (it wasn't a true omniblast since there were spaces free of lightning in which Glads can escape to). If that is the case then Superman starts off speed blitzing everytime (which I would like). Mjolnir wouldn't home in on Glads if Thor is getting rocked (assuming Thor can throw the hammer faster than Glads laces him). Thor has no time to do anything exotic here. Trying manipulate the weather would cause him to lose even faster.
Except that eve with Gladiator using his super speed and blitzing Thor, Thor somehow magically always wins.. one the top of my head Masterson Thor beat Gladiator even when Gladiator bltized him. And theres the future Gladiator, who once Thor got serious, lost and admitted that Thor was just too powerful.
Your claims of Gladiator speed blitzing Thor and combo to KO just doesnt hold as feats are on Thor's side.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor in character wouldn't normally Omniblast (it wasn't a true omniblast since there were spaces free of lightning in which Glads can escape to). If that is the case then Superman starts off speed blitzing everytime (which I would like). Mjolnir wouldn't home in on Glads if Thor is getting rocked (assuming Thor can throw the hammer faster than Glads laces him). Thor has no time to do anything exotic here. Trying manipulate the weather would cause him to lose even faster.
Thor can do an AoE attack which I agree, that he woundt normally do. The hammer will home in to gladiator. Remember how it dogged magneto (was that magneto? cant remember) but the point is the hammer homed in even doing 90 degree turns while thor was casually walking along.
Weather control isnt exotic. Thor just has to will it and there you go. and no, again, Thor is not getting blitzed and comboed to KO.
Originally posted by carver9
The only thing I am going to say in this thread (so its pointless for you all to reply back) is... Thor wins this. Not because he is more powerful but because Gladiator is an arrogant biatch that boast throughout every fight that he is in.If he actually amp himself to his planet crushing, moving and reacting at hyper speed, swimming in stars and tanking hits from tyrant, walking through Vulcans and Binary attacks "self"... he would cream ANY version of Thor but again, his arrogance is his downfall so even then he could possibly lose if we change his attitude.
Gladiator is his superior and even with the gem, he can match him physically and could possily end this with a stalemate or like some people said, use his superior speed and already superior strength to take the gem.
So overall... due to Glads being a retard, Thor wins. Put someone else mind in that powerful body, someone like Cyclops, Thor will get that a** handed to him more times than not.
Jake, do not respond to my post.
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