Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthis is true
facepalmThis board rumor about "full confidence" needs to stop. Gladiator doesn't walk around operating at half power. I've never seen it being described it as such. Gladiator is at full capacity every day (Not taking into account the holding back a lot of heroes do etc.) It's simply when he faces beings that should logically be beneath him, perform above what he assumes is there limit, or someone messes with him psychically, that his confidence wanes. That's when his power starts dropping. It's why his confidence isn't an issue when he faces Hulk, Thor etc. but it did start to wane in that scene with Richards. Nothing he was doing was effective; he started having doubts etc.
As a matter of fact, show me one high herald that Gladiator has faced and confidence was an issue. Hell, I'll take a risk and allow mid or low heralds.
The rest isn't even worth the time. If you want to start comparing feats, let's have a go. You're always fun Carver. But, don't bet on winning.
cap's shield was the x element back then, most other beings (w/ the power of illusion) would have died getting pummeled by thousands of gladiator punches, let alone show a bit of discumfort which would shatter the illusion of invulnerability.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Does anyone have the scans on hand? Bill was not one shotted and neither was Surfer. IIRC, Gladiator tried to match Tyrant's energy output and that took a lot out of him. He then went down from another eye beam and a punch. Bill took a downward strike and a punch, which IIRC did not knock him out. I don't remember exactly what happened with Surfer but it wasn't a one hit knock out.What feats of power does Gladiator have to support your stance? He once busted a planet with a few feats? Please, Thor has strength feats that utterly shit on anything Gladiator has ever done and you don't see me claiming his far stronger. Still, if one had to pick the one with the superior strength, it'd be Thor.
You're taking a high end showing and trying to apply it to an utterly ridiculous theory. Gladiator's strength is not unlimited. It doesn't increase just because he thinks his bulge looks bigger one day. He walks around at full power everyday. It's when he encounters strange situations that his confidence decreases, and in turn so do his powers.
Lol... you are a trip Rage.
His power is completely based off of his confidence... its his amp. Vulcan powers were having an affect on him, when his confidence boosted, Vulcan powers didn't even touch him. Then we have professor files saying that when Gladiator puts his mind to it (confidence), he can do "anything". Then we have Reed files stating that Gladiator has unlimited power. How many people have to say this for you to realize the truth?
Its his will, personality, pride, that keeps his power flowing... if he wants to become stronger, he has the sources but again, it all depends on his mood.
Supreme was classified as being 4 times stronger than Normal Glads but we have Gladiator matching his strength and showing that he was his equal. It was stated that if they continued to fight it would have shedded planets.
Then we have Nova (someone who has hit Thor hard enough to make him dizzy) stating that Gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the Galaxy and Nova has met every hero and villian on Marvel earth.
Cyclops said the same thing about Gladiators strength. He is just that strong but his personality doesn't fit with all of that power that he has at his disposal.
Then you bring up me just using Gladiator high end feats. He doesn't have many feats to use, what do you expect me to do? His losses always have some kind of plot and the Thor fight, how can we use that when it wasn't even the true Gladiator? It was a Glads stripped from another timeline while the real one was somewhere flying around.
His fight with Hulk... his kryptonite was around. His fight against Cannonball, he was thrashing him and toying with him until Cannonball absorbed a punch that was going to send him to the core of the sun and hit Glads with it. He still didn't lose that since he was up in the next panel... his confidence did go down though... he was shocked. He thrashed Masterson. He thrashed Binary. He did lose to Black Bolt because BB whipsered in his ears. He thrashed Vulcan. He thrashed Masterson but Masterson ended up back stabbing him with a lightning bolt. He thrashed Nova and was toying with him as well until Nova absorbed his heat vision and sent it back to him a hundred folds (nova was koed, Glads was pissed). He thrashed Colossus. Took down a phoenix with one hit. Defeated some Nova members. Crushed Wonderman. Defeated an army of skrulls teamed with Shiar villians.
He basically either stomped or won majority of his fights without some outside interference/plot. He always seem superior but I admit, Thor always give him a run for his money. The thing about this though is, Reed gave Thor a huge speed increase (Reed boosted all of their speed up to hyper speed level) and Gladiator busted in their, matched their speed and was still giving Thor hell.
Take this topic how you want Rage, I didn't want to debate about this.
Originally posted by dmillsBut there is no medium here. The OP says Glads at FULL CONFIDENCE, not at partial confidence. Thus we have to use his best feats to show what he can do at full confidence. Actually, he may not have been at full confidence then. Who knows what Glads can do at FULL CONFIDENCE. There is no proof Thor has faced such a Glads.
I know what you're getting at, but here's where individual feats have to be weighted against other panel evidence to form a happy medium. Thor or a Thor offshoot has defeated Glads on more then one occasion.That said, how much Mjolnir factors (or doesn't) into those previous contests should be accounted for though.
Glads can just take the PG easily.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Seriously, this is spite. All joking aside, it's obvious to nearly everyone here that Gladiator is getting his ass kicked by Thor. Without the gem, it's a bit closer, but c'mon. This idea that fully confident Gladiator is like Silver Age Superman or some other crap is just that.Crap.
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pretty much.
"full confidence" isn't some sort of amp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusCarver is lying about the Tyrant fight as usual, Glads went down just as easy as the rest in 1 to 2 hits, Ganymede did better than everyone there so does that make her greater than a that line up ?
Does anyone have the scans on hand? Bill was not one shotted and neither was Surfer. IIRC, Gladiator tried to match Tyrant's energy output and that took a lot out of him. He then went down from another eye beam and a punch. Bill took a downward strike and a punch, which IIRC did not knock him out. I don't remember exactly what happened with Surfer but it wasn't a one hit knock out.What feats of power does Gladiator have to support your stance? He once busted a planet with a few feats? Please, Thor has strength feats that utterly shit on anything Gladiator has ever done and you don't see me claiming his far stronger. Still, if one had to pick the one with the superior strength, it'd be Thor.
You're taking a high end showing and trying to apply it to an utterly ridiculous theory. Gladiator's strength is not unlimited. It doesn't increase just because he thinks his bulge looks bigger one day. He walks around at full power everyday. It's when he encounters strange situations that his confidence decreases, and in turn so do his powers.
Some of the scans are in Tyrants respect thread.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I can't believe this thread has gone 5 pages.
Gladiator is stronger and faster than Thor with the PG for the first few minutes of the fight. If Glads takes away the PG then he is a lot stronger and faster throughout the whole fight.
If Thor wins then it is nowhere near spite.
And that is a fact, not opinion.
But my opinion is that Glads wins easily ONLY IF he uses speed.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Seriously, this is spite. All joking aside, it's obvious to nearly everyone here that Gladiator is getting his ass kicked by Thor. Without the gem, it's a bit closer, but c'mon. This idea that fully confident Gladiator is like Silver Age Superman or some other crap is just that.Crap.
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Some people think that Glads busts planets and flys faster than light on a daily basis.
Originally posted by The NuulHe doesn't but will if he is under full confidence (which IMO he has only shown when busting planets, going thru stars, etc.).
👆Some people think that Glads busts planets and flys faster than light on a daily basis.
Characters fight to the best of their abilities as SHOWN BEFORE.
Only if, full confidence was like an amp, and it's not. He's at full capacity meaning he's fully confident, unless in every other showing he's had, Gladiator is moderately confident or not confident at all. Which is ridiculous. His confidence isn't an issue unless it's specifically stated to be lower than normal. Thor's feats put him firmly above Glads. Thor with the Power Gem wrecks him. Both of which are facts, not opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't but will if he is under full confidence (which IMO he has only shown when busting planets, going thru stars, etc.).Characters fight to the best of their abilities as SHOWN BEFORE.
lol putting the cart before the horse?
"He is only fully confident when he performs those feats, therefore all his other feats happened when he wasn't fully confident."
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you are a trip Rage.
I'm telling you how it is. It's not my fault you're outright delusional when it comes to Gladiator. Quachi isn't the only one surgically attached to a purple pen*s it seems.
Originally posted by carver9
His power is completely based off of his confidence... its his amp. Vulcan powers were having an affect on him, when his confidence boosted, Vulcan powers didn't even touch him. Then we have professor files saying that when Gladiator puts his mind to it (confidence), he can do "anything". Then we have Reed files stating that Gladiator has unlimited power. How many people have to say this for you to realize the truth?
No, that's not how it works. And you really need to start paying attention. Vulcan previously knocks a Gladiator who doesn't want to interfere away. Then a pissed off Gladiator no sells attacks from a weaker Vulcan. That's not evidence of your silly stance. And neither is dialogue that strokes Gladiator's piece.
After beating Hercules into the ground, Ulik gained an amp that made him hundreds of times stronger (Trans level at bare minimum if you take that at face value). He was manhandling both Hercules and Thor until he endangered a police officer. A pissed off Thor beats his ass into the ground.
Thor's strength = Unlimited?
Originally posted by carver9
Its his will, personality, pride, that keeps his power flowing... if he wants to become stronger, he has the sources but again, it all depends on his mood.
facepalm
Originally posted by carver9
Supreme was classified as being 4 times stronger than Normal Glads but we have Gladiator matching his strength and showing that he was his equal. It was stated that if they continued to fight it would have shedded planets.
There was a little bio at the end of the comic that said Supreme was around as twice as strong as Gladiator IIRC. Cool. Unfortunately, I don't remember strength even being an issue in that fight (Besides Gladiator taking a dive). I mean, Gladiator didn't even start out noticeably weaker only to match him later on as far as I recall.
Thor stalemated Kurse and even looked better when he went berserk. In that very comic, it was stated Kurse was over 2x as strong as Thor.
Thor's strength = Unlimited?
So Gladiator's a high herald?
Originally posted by carver9
Then we have Nova (someone who has hit Thor hard enough to make him dizzy) stating that Gladiator is one of the strongest beings in the Galaxy and Nova has met every hero and villian on Marvel earth.
Not impressed.
Read the comic. Nova didn't make Thor dizzy. The mind control did.
Loki once said Thor was stronger than Odin. Thor's strength has been called indomitable. Adam Warlock (Far more knowledgeable than Nova) said Thor was one of the physically strongest beings in the Universe. Heck, Adam Warlock was sent after Thor because Eternity was worried Thor would destroy a good portion of it and Infinity (*Shrug*).
Thor's strength = Unlimited?
Originally posted by carver9
Cyclops said the same thing about Gladiators strength. He is just that strong but his personality doesn't fit with all of that power that he has at his disposal.
I don't even know what you're talking about here.
Originally posted by carver9
Then you bring up me just using Gladiator high end feats. He doesn't have many feats to use, what do you expect me to do? His losses always have some kind of plot and the Thor fight, how can we use that when it wasn't even the true Gladiator? It was a Glads stripped from another timeline while the real one was somewhere flying around.
He has numerous showings. You're just applying his high ones across the board and assuming that whenever he has a low showing or isn't stomping someone, his not at full confidence. Fallacious.
I didn't even mention the Thor fight which by the way would more than likely be an accurate representation of a Thor/Gladiator encounter because the fight that we saw was a Gladiator plucked from the direct future.
Originally posted by carver9
His fight with Hulk... his kryptonite was around.
Read the fight. His ass was kicked before that happened.
Originally posted by carver9
His fight against Cannonball, he was thrashing him and toying with him until Cannonball absorbed a punch that was going to send him to the core of the sun and hit Glads with it. He still didn't lose that since he was up in the next panel... his confidence did go down though... he was shocked.
You'd think you wouldn't want to bring up Cannonball.
Originally posted by carver9
He thrashed Masterson.
Read the comic. Masterson was clearly his equal in strength. Gladiator however was more ruthless, experienced and a superior fighter. Simply put, he was a seasoned warrior while Masterson was not. Which was the entire point of the fight.
Originally posted by carver9
He thrashed Binary. He did lose to Black Bolt because BB whipsered in his ears.
He has a legitimate win against Binary true, but IIRC, her energy reserves were weakened or what not.
Don't mention Black Bolt either.
Originally posted by carver9
He thrashed Vulcan. He thrashed Masterson but Masterson ended up back stabbing him with a lightning bolt. He thrashed Nova and was toying with him as well until Nova absorbed his heat vision and sent it back to him a hundred folds (nova was koed, Glads was pissed). He thrashed Colossus. Took down a phoenix with one hit. Defeated some Nova members. Crushed Wonderman. Defeated an army of skrulls teamed with Shiar villians.
Cool. Never happened. Not impressed. When did he take out a Phoenix in one hit?
Not impressed once again.
It's actually sad how unimpressive Gladiator's resume is in comparison Thor. Please don't make me compare the two. It won't end well for you.
Originally posted by carver9
He basically either stomped or won majority of his fights without some outside interference/plot. He always seem superior but I admit, Thor always give him a run for his money. The thing about this though is, Reed gave Thor a huge speed increase (Reed boosted all of their speed up to hyper speed level) and Gladiator busted in their, matched their speed and was still giving Thor hell.
Lol gtfo. Beating a few mutants doesn't impress me. Whenever he faces top tiers, he either stalemates them or loses.
Lol once again. Okay, Gladiator is fast, so what? I'm not disputing that. By the way, Gladiator admitted
Originally posted by carver9
Take this topic how you want Rage, I didn't want to debate about this.
Of course you don't because you're dead wrong. I don't even want to waste my time with this. I don't want to spare the energy. I like you, but you're without a doubt just plain dense sometimes. It's just uncanny how twisted you are when it comes to the character.
Using your logic, I can argue that Thor has unlimited strength that's depended purely on his state of mind. This isn't me exaggerating. I can match and surpass every example you've given for Gladiator's supposed "superiority".
Originally posted by JakeTheBank👆
Only if, full confidence was like an amp, and it's not. He's at full capacity meaning he's fully confident, unless in every other showing he's had, Gladiator is moderately confident or not confident at all. Which is ridiculous. His confidence isn't an issue unless it's specifically stated to be lower than normal. Thor's feats put him firmly above Glads. Thor with the Power Gem wrecks him. Both of which are facts, not opinion.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only if, full confidence was like an amp, and it's not. He's at full capacity meaning he's fully confident, unless in every other showing he's had, Gladiator is moderately confident or not confident at all. Which is ridiculous. His confidence isn't an issue unless it's specifically stated to be lower than normal. Thor's feats put him firmly above Glads. Thor with the Power Gem wrecks him. Both of which are facts, not opinion.
Full confidence implies he can't become more confident because he has the maximum confidence he can have.
There is absolutely no proof that Glads was ever at full confidence (meaning it was impossible for him to gain more confidence at that time).
Full confidence IS AN AMP vs. Moderate confidence. It's more logical to assume that Glads is on average moderately confident. Thus under full confidence he is in a different league.
Thor has no quantifiable strength feats or speed feats that put him above Glads. Also being above someone doesn't mean they can win against that someone. This is simple logic.
Glads>>>>>>>>>> Thor with PG in the first so many minutes of the fight. After that the tables become turned.
How can Thor win if Glads takes the PG away or simply koes Thor before Thor can overcome his physicality?
Lastly, Thor's achilles heel is the lost of his hammer. Glads and others have shown multiple times that a good hit on Thor can cause him to drop his hammer. Thor is outclassed against a speedster who is of equal or greater strength without his hammer.