Superman with GL Ring vs Thanos

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as the other heroes you mentioned--superman is and always WILL be at a disadvantage on this board. with guys like ss and thor in particular. they have so many powers and superman fans have little to fall back on save strength and speed. sooooooooooo many debates about superman's speed!

Originally posted by leonidas
but, in general, to counter most exotic powers it is his speed that comes up. because marvel and dc depict speed differently, it generally comes down to that.

I've seen you argue that Surfer can match Flash's speed and shit like that; and now you're promoting "how the characters are usually portrayed!!" As much as you'd like to think yourself as different from the rest, you've at times been part of the problem.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Also lawlz, especially at the last part. "It's not that the Marvel side doesn't have speed, it's that it's portrayed differently. Yeah, that's it!"

sure that's part of it. most if not all the big guys in dc have uber combat speed feats. nearly NONE of the big guns in marvel do. if you don't think debates in marvel's big guns vs dc's big guns comes down to speed more often than not, well--wait you probably don't since you really never debate anyway, just sit on the outside and throw in the occasional snotty comment. 🙂

I've seen you argue that Surfer can match Flash's speed and shit like that; and now you're promoting "how the characters are usually portrayed!!" As much as you'd like to think yourself as different from the rest, you've at times been part of the problem.

think myself different? there are others here who use most consistent portrayal and i've used that notion for a long time around here. can't always work though depending on the nature of the debate--ie if both are of similar nature, which happens often. and i may well have said ss can match flash's speed at some point--i think i also said he could likely match superman's h2h speed based on how i personally understand the character and his powers. and? it's possible i've been part of the problem at times--though what problem i'm not really sure. my 'problem' was mostly revolving around the constant flaming and circular debates that don't move out of spite. it's possible i've been guilty of this, but hopefully not all that often. but thanks for chiming in and putting me in my place. 😉

Originally posted by -Pr-
so you were talking about what most people use, rather than what he can do.

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maybe i won't have to kill you after all...

i paid for that will for nothing? 😐

So Thanos still wins this fight... Good.

Originally posted by leonidas
sure that's part of it. most if not all the big guys in dc have uber combat speed feats. nearly NONE of the big guns in marvel do. if you don't think debates in marvel's big guns vs dc's big guns comes down to speed more often than not, well--wait you probably don't since you really never debate anyway, just sit on the outside and throw in the occasional snotty comment. 🙂

I have to disagree with this big time. Marvel's big guns don't do speedster blitzes because they're not speedsters, simple. Surfer, Thor, Beta Ray Bill et al are not speedsters, that was never what they were about. They're about energy projection, manipulation (and in the case of BRB and Thor) powerful melee blows as well.

They've been around for decades and that's how they've been consistently portrayed. Superman's speed was always a big (read: huge) part of his powerset, having been the world's premier super hero for a long time. His speed was such that he had the ability to almost single handedly stop every disaster in the world, not just in a single city.

That speed was part of the fabric of the character he was. The likes of Thor, Surfer can generate the acceleration to travel through space, but that speed is more similar to that of a ship, almost as if it is a result of energy manipulation as well, rather than the pure physical speediness that is the case with Supes' speed.

EDIT: Now all of these guys have super human speed obviously. I mean, Hulk, Thor, Surfer (without his board), even Thanos can all outrun a vehicle, but they don't have the speed to outrun bullets.

They have superhuman speed, but not to the level of speedsters.

Speed blitz for the win!

Originally posted by leonidas
sure that's part of it. most if not all the big guys in dc have uber combat speed feats. nearly NONE of the big guns in marvel do. if you don't think debates in marvel's big guns vs dc's big guns comes down to speed more often than not, well--wait you probably don't since you really never debate anyway, just sit on the outside and throw in the occasional snotty comment. 🙂

And it goes right in line with your asinine line of thinking in the aforementioned Surfer/Flash threads where eventough you didn't have any proof of Surfer matching him, somehow you "felt like he should" eventough he doesn't display "DC type of superspeed". In short, you're setting up the ground for "the companies don't display superspeed the same, so eventough my favorite character doesn't have the feats to match the other one, he still totally has them because he has done this mis-interpreted random scene or a feeling of the character!".

You're transparent even in this thread.

and i may well have said ss can match flash's speed at some point--i think i also said he could likely match superman's h2h speed based on how i personally understand the character and his powers.

I'm one of those who can see through the bullshit. Don't try to play the wise, laid-back "I have common sense" type because, like I said, you're not, and what you're doing here is nothing more than hypocrisy at its best.

Originally posted by Allankles
I have to disagree with this big time. Marvel's big guns don't do speedster blitzes because they're not speedsters, simple. Surfer, Thor, Beta Ray Bill et al are not speedsters, that was never what they were about. They're about energy projection, manipulation (and in the case of BRB and Thor) powerful melee blows as well.

They've been around for decades and that's how they've been consistently portrayed. Superman's speed was always a big (read: huge) part of his powerset, having been the world's premier super hero for a long time. His speed was such that he had the ability to almost single handedly stop every disaster in the world, not just in a single city.

That speed was part of the fabric of the character he was. The likes of Thor, Surfer can generate the acceleration to travel through space, but that speed is more similar to that of a ship, almost as if it is a result of energy manipulation as well, rather than the pure physical speediness that is the case with Supes' speed.

EDIT: Now all of these guys have super human speed obviously. I mean, Hulk, Thor, Surfer (without his board), even Thanos can all outrun a vehicle, but they don't have the speed to outrun bullets.

They have superhuman speed, but not to the level of speedsters.

Thor can react very quickly and so can BrB but they don't really have combat speed per say. I see what he's saying as dc really does show more feats taking place at superspeed than marvel but marvel has characters with insane speed as well though we don't see it often.

@philo
Panties in a bunch much?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@philo
Panties in a bunch much?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'd like to have mis-interpreted that statement - but somewhat this seems like backtracking. You didn't say "DC's top tiers have superspeed while most of Marvel's don't.". You said, and I quote: "marvel and dc depict speed differently, it generally comes down to that. "

And it goes right in line with your asinine line of thinking in the aforementioned Surfer/Flash threads where eventough you didn't have any proof of Surfer matching him, somehow you "felt like he should" eventough he doesn't display "DC type of superspeed". In short, you're setting up the ground for "the companies don't display superspeed the same, so eventough my favorite character doesn't have the feats to match the other one, he still totally has them because he has done this mis-interpreted random scene or a feeling of the character!".

You're transparent even in this thread.

I'm one of those who can see through the bullshit. Don't try to play the wise, laid-back "I have common sense" type because, like I said, you're not, and what you're doing here is nothing more than hypocrisy at its best.

Blah Blah Blah.. Thanos still stomps your boy with ease

Originally posted by Allankles
I have to disagree with this big time. Marvel's big guns don't do speedster blitzes because they're not speedsters, simple. Surfer, Thor, Beta Ray Bill et al are not speedsters, that was never what they were about. They're about energy projection, manipulation (and in the case of BRB and Thor) powerful melee blows as well.

They've been around for decades and that's how they've been consistently portrayed. Superman's speed was always a big (read: huge) part of his powerset, having been the world's premier super hero for a long time. His speed was such that he had the ability to almost single handedly stop every disaster in the world, not just in a single city.

That speed was part of the fabric of the character he was. The likes of Thor, Surfer can generate the acceleration to travel through space, but that speed is more similar to that of a ship, almost as if it is a result of energy manipulation as well, rather than the pure physical speediness that is the case with Supes' speed.

EDIT: Now all of these guys have super human speed obviously. I mean, Hulk, Thor, Surfer (without his board), even Thanos can all outrun a vehicle, but they don't have the speed to outrun bullets.

They have superhuman speed, but not to the level of speedsters.

the very existence of the SF in dc illustrates my point exactly in regards to how speed is depicted. but you're also right and i agree completely with the fact that speed is integral to those characters you mentioned. not sure how you differ so greatly from what i said, tbh. marvel chose NOT to integrate speed the way dc has and did. as a result finding comparable speed feats in a marvel v dc thread is difficult, but does not necessarily mean that every person in dc can speed blitz every person in marvel. i've seen ss track an electron and pluck it from the air, yet he can't move his hands at ftl speeds if he chose? can't react to a blitz from pretty well anyone?

perhaps i should have said speed is USED differently in dc, but it amounts to the same thing. my original point was that speed comes up often in debates and is a pretty simple. but that was a discussion i was having with pr, and he seems to have understood what i was getting at.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'd like to have mis-interpreted that statement - but somewhat this seems like backtracking. You didn't say "DC's top tiers have superspeed while most of Marvel's don't.". You said, and I quote: "marvel and dc depict speed differently, it generally comes down to that. "

And it goes right in line with your asinine line of thinking in the aforementioned Surfer/Flash threads where eventough you didn't have any proof of Surfer matching him, somehow you "felt like he should" eventough he doesn't display "DC type of superspeed". In short, you're setting up the ground for "the companies don't display superspeed the same, so eventough my favorite character doesn't have the feats to match the other one, he still totally has them because he has done this mis-interpreted random scene or a feeling of the character!".

You're transparent even in this thread.

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yep, setting up yet ANOTHER of my favourites so that i can bring knc under my control and make certain that no dc character wins another match! you sure know a lot about me and my machiavellian schemes. i bet the kmc is thankful you're around to clear the air of my bullsh!t! well done sheriff. 👆

I'm one of those who can see through the bullshit. Don't try to play the wise, laid-back "I have common sense" type because, like I said, you're not, and what you're doing here is nothing more than hypocrisy at its best.

well, no doubt you're an expert in the area of bullsh!t. good lookin' out sheriff. kmc can sleep soundly tonight. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas

well, no doubt you're an expert in the area of bullsh!t-tracking.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've seen ss track an electron and pluck it from the air, yet he can't move his hands at ftl speeds if he chose? can't react to a blitz from pretty well anyone?

perhaps i should have said speed is USED differently in dc, but it amounts to the same thing.

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Anyway, that's the extent of where I'm going to pursue this discussion.

edit.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I know, right?

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Anyway, that's the extent of where I'm going to pursue this discussion.

i'll happily pursue it, you just seem to have your mind made up regarding both me and the issue so it seems kinda pointless tbh.

You'll happily pursue what, a debate of Surfer's speed?

Originally posted by Philosophía
You'll happily pursue what, a debate of Surfer's speed?

frankly, whatever your issue is. because tbh, i'm not really sure WHAT it is.

The issue is that Thanos suffers from the same weakness that alot of Marvel's top tiers do. Namely, NO HIGH END SPEED FEATS. You just don't want to admit DC has a colossal speed edge compared to Marvel. Do I think Surfer has combat speed? Sure. Do I think it's on Superman's level? Not really. And he has nothing on the level of Flash. But then, nobody in Marvel is that fast to begin with. And they kind of admitted that with 'Buried Allen.' 😉

And since I've competed in tournies against you Leo, I know first-hand how good your bull-shitting is. 😄 And the marvel tilt on this board has only gotten worse. ❌