Originally posted by carver9
Keep talking about cheese fts. Lol... Thanos wreck beings that create suns and Black Holes and beings that rip the heart of a star out with their barehands. That sh** means nothing. Thanos folds him.
Creating stars or black holes, or ripping a star's core out with bare hands, means nothing if those characters never used that power against Thanos during their fight.
Even if they could have, it doesn't change the fact that one second to Thanos is still more than a day to Superman - and that hundreds, thousands, or millions of stellar masses still outweigh a single stellar mass.
Even you use so-called "cheese feats" when comparing power levels between characters from different companies, where standard scaling methods like 'ABC logic' is not possible.
Re: Superman with GL Ring vs Thanos
Originally posted by keiththegreatIs this a direct quote from a comic or an over-generalization?
Superman's willpower has been said to be infinite. Who wins?
Even if a direct quote, using GL rings isn't simply a matter of willpower. Yes, it takes great willpower to use them effectively. But it's also about overcoming great fear. Oliver Queen has willpower in spades and nearly passed out after creating a single crude arrow construct. Batman himself refused to let go of his fear essentially rendering himself a non-starter as a GL. Forced contrivance? Sure. But one that has been borne on-panel.
Or are you just assuming Superman could wield a GL ring as effectively as any GL? In which case, Superman is subject to on-panel history as much as anyone unless there's on-panel proof showing he could utilize a GL ring fully that I am unaware of.
It's similar to Mjolnir's worthiness enchantment. Steve Rogers could lift it. But Benjamin Grimm couldn't. In the face of such on-panel instances, you cannot just assume Peter Parker would lift Mjolnir in a random vs thread. Even if Spider-Man is widely considered one of the greatest and most selfless superheroes in comics.
Originally posted by ODG
Is this a direct quote from a comic or an over-generalization?Even if a direct quote, using GL rings isn't simply a matter of willpower. Yes, it takes great willpower to use them effectively. But it's also about overcoming great fear. Oliver Queen has willpower in spades and nearly passed out after creating a single crude arrow construct. Batman himself refused to let go of his fear essentially rendering himself a non-starter as a GL. Forced contrivance? Sure. But one that has been borne on-panel.
Or are you just assuming Superman could wield a GL ring as effectively as any GL? In which case, Superman is subject to on-panel history as much as anyone unless there's on-panel proof showing he could utilize a GL ring fully that I am unaware of.
It's similar to Mjolnir's worthiness enchantment. Steve Rogers could lift it. But Benjamin Grimm couldn't. In the face of such on-panel instances, you cannot just assume Peter Parker would lift Mjolnir in a random vs thread. Even if Spider-Man is widely considered one of the greatest and most selfless superheroes in comics.
^ I asked for a direct quote distinctly from some over-generalization.
I think my initial post was rather clear.
If it's not clear to you, I won't apologize for it. Any misunderstanding reflects more on you than me. But if that's the point you want to bear down upon, I am not unfamiliar with semantics.
In which case, to steer the conversation back to actual comics because I am being pressured to be the "better man", what issue is your scan from?
Originally posted by ODG
^ I asked for a direct quote distinctly from some over-generalization.I think my initial post was rather clear.
If it's not clear to you, I won't apologize for it. Any misunderstanding reflects more on you than me. But if that's the point you want to bear down upon, I am not unfamiliar with semantics.
In which case, to steer the conversation back to actual comics because I am being pressured to be the "better man", what issue is your scan from?
Typical nonsense from you.
Originally posted by abhilegendI didn't say it was of no value. You are putting words into my mouth. I had, however, asked if Superman was on-panel quantifiably attributed with infinite willpower. Which, given he's the longest-running and most published superhero in all of comics, he may very well have been. And that would've been extremely relevant to this particular vs thread.
Right, you asked for infinite willpower feat, I showed you near infinite and suddenly the feat is of no value because you decided so.
But that's not the case when you actually read Phantom Stranger's statements in Action Comics vol.1 #585 in context. I had hoped (for your sake, even) that single page was the culimination of an actual test/challenge of Superman's will. Like somebody was magically sapping his willpower and Superman had to struggle against it. But, no. It's just purple prose when you read the actual comic.
Phantom Stranger's narration does not reliably translate to Superman wielding a GL ring, whatsoever. And flowery character statements about willpower have little to do with my initial posts. So you wasted both of our times.
But I suppose you knew that going in and weren't expecting constructive discourse on actual comics. That isn't even your motivation. Not with me anyway. As amply documented for 200+ posts across 10+ years while ignored.
Originally posted by abhilegendI suppose after chasing me for 200+ posts across 10+ years, you personally believe that you have a clear conception of my personal thoughts. Sorry to disabuse you of that notion.
Typical nonsense from you.
Originally posted by ODG
I didn't say it was of no value. You are putting words into my mouth. I had, however, asked if Superman was on-panel quantifiably attributed with infinite willpower. Which, given he's the longest-running and most published superhero in all of comics, he may very well have been. And that would've been extremely relevant to this particular vs thread.But that's not the case when you actually read Phantom Stranger's statements in Action Comics vol.1 #585 in context. I had hoped (for your sake, even) that single page was the culimination of an actual test/challenge of Superman's will. Like somebody was magically sapping his willpower and Superman had to struggle against it. But, no. It's just purple prose when you read the actual comic.
Phantom Stranger's narration does not reliably translate to Superman wielding a GL ring, whatsoever. And flowery character statements about willpower have little to do with my initial posts. So you wasted both of our times.
But I suppose you knew that going in and weren't expecting constructive discourse on actual comics. That isn't even your motivation. Not with me anyway. As amply documented for 200+ posts across 10+ years while ignored. I suppose after chasing me for 200+ posts across 10+ years, you personally believe that you have a clear conception of my personal thoughts. Sorry to disabuse you of that notion.
Originally posted by ODG
^ It's worth as much as your near-infinite wank.Which is precisely zero when measured against the actual comics.
Gotcha.