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Here's your retcon, Kurupt.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1863531/ale1.jpg.htmlHere's your retcon, Kurupt.
So nothing eh Trick.. thought so. As Allan pointed out.. there is no recton. Only hopes of one and some continuity questions.. that doesn't equate to a full recton. Problems and question occur in comics all the time.. yet we don't go... yet it was rectonned this or rectonned that for issues such as these.. if so.. we would be doing so all the time.
I do think aspects of DOTNG were retconned (Source entity for certain, in two ways - what is said in the Secret Files and secondly what was said about Supes perception), but the event seems to have happened.
However, it doesn't represents the war in heaven that precipitates the situation of Seven Soldiers of Victory and by extension FC.
Originally posted by Allankles
Some things do suggest that the event was almost completely retconned e.g. the whole war in heaven wouldn't have happened in the manner that DOTNG depicted. So where DOTNG fits is difficult to determine, although the time paradox caused by the war might be an explanation.
👆 Do you believe the Anti Life Entity still exists?? I believe it possibly could.
Yeah I don't believe it to be the other side of The Source, since it can't really be divided. I think its just what Superman (or us) could comprehend as we saw the events. Could it (AL Entity) be alive?? I doubt that would be kept but it seemed Darkseid still didn't understand the true horror he unleashed on the universe, it broke time and space allowing DS to fall into the multiverse and which it began to break down from his presence. This correct?
Trickster you need to get your facts STRAIGHT.. DS NEVER broke time and space EVER. It was stated on panel THE WAR broke time and space and then again on panel it was stated the ALE being broadcast broke it further. At NO POINT did DS break time and space AT ALL. I swear you love twisting FC to make DS seem multiversal and like an abstract.. problem is he did NOTHING to displayed any multiversal feats or abstract level feats even. None.
The war warped time and Space sending DS back through time in his fall. DS wrecked the Multiverse after he was poisoned with radion, as his way of spiting the multiverse.
It was already explained, that DS was retconning reality and drugging the Multiverse into a singularity that was in his body. Both within FC, and out of it via interviews. In fact Morrison categorically says that DS was retconning reality through issues 6 and 7 of FC.
Allan at NO POINT did DS perform a single Multiversal feat in FC.. not one. In fact, it wasn't even his plan for that to happen. He need all these things to fall into place for what happened to even be possible and it wasn't through his own power... Didn't know the war would crack time and space... the war did DS didn't. Without that crack DS could do NOTHING to the Multiverse. The ALE further cracked time and space ON PANEL. Not DS power did so. Without that, again DS could do nothing to the Multiverse. In fact, it was specifically stated that he couldn't have won the war without the ALE.. so another thing he couldn't do under his own power. The Multiverse was being flushed and was again stated specifically on panel because DS was falling into a place he didn't belong. Not because he was destroying it with his own power. In fact, it's much like marvel's 616.. if you mess with that.. you can have multiversal effects... Same thing happened here. Lets not twist it into something it was not Allan
I've had enough. You're obviously too stupid to actually read the damn comic or the panel which directly retcons the Anti-life entity and the source splitting.
And frankly, I despise that kind of idiocy. We've given more than enough evidence for our side.
You have NOTHING on your side. Either disprove the multitude of scans and statements we have put forth, OR BE SILENT, JACKAL.
Galan did a fantastic job proving it was Darkseid in that thread, and in this one.
Originally posted by Galan007
darkseid's existence in the multiverse is what was flushing it down the cosmic toilet - the thing is, him 'falling' there should have been utterly impossible. why? because when a new god's heart is destroyed, they are supposed to instantly die [which was shown numerous times throughout DotNG.] however, instead of simply dying, darkseid quite literally willed his 'true' form to plummet down to the mainstream DCU [a ridiculous feat in itself.] once there, darkseid knew that his mere presence within the multiverse would irrevocably destroy it [so long as he had the will to maintain said presence].."i'm the only one who can see the shadow. this gigantic shadow cast across the entire multiverse. falling over everything":
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9310/ds2u.jpgeven when darkseid 'possessed' turpin's body, it was still through sheer force of will that his existence within the multiverse continued. without such massive will, darkseid, and darkseid alone, would have continued to fall to his own personal hades. instead, he did not merely continue to survive, but he also formed a friggin' singularity around himself, of which was intertwining/destroying the entire multiverse - ie. if darkseid was going to die, everything was going to die with him... all through will powa, my friend..
"darkseid's falling, dragging this whole universe down as he goes. the entire structure of existence. the whole multiverse, wally":
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4899/ds4.jpghell, even after darkseid was shot with a lethal dose of radion, after he was hit by his own omega sanction, and after he'd met the black racer, his energy form still continued to linger within the material world [due, again, to sheer will power.]
it was only when superman sang the 'life-equation' that darkseid was more or less canceled out:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4818/ds5.jpgand the best part is... darkseid knew all of this was going to happen. he knew full well what his battle with orion could potentially gain him. that's why he made this comment to libra, just before he and orion had their 'final battle'..
"there will be great changes on earth in the days to come, libra. you must be ready for whatever transpires":
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3860/ds1a.jpg[so it can't be said that the displays of power/will in FC were any kind of 'fluke'.]
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anyhow, darkseid's feats of will > thanos'. imo.
So the F did posting that prove? In fact it proved exactly what my stance is... DS FALLING to a place HE DIDN'T BELONG is what caused the multiversal effects. The EXACT same thing happens in Marvel and the 616. When the 616 is messed with it has multiversal effects. Yet we don't go.. cause somebody messed with somethign in 616 which then caused the multiverse to be effected.. we don't go they are multiversal lol. That is insane. Fact is, DS did not accomlish one multiversal feat under his own power.. not one. You keep saying I've proved no proof when that is EXACTLY what I outlined in my post. Nothing I said was untrue and it was ALL stated on panel. DS having really really good will power to stay around doesn't equal multiversal level power. All it does show is DS has incredible will power. You have ZERO ZERO evidence of DS performing ANY multiversal feats
