Superman with GL Ring vs Thanos

His shadow was cast over the whole Multiverse. Pretty unequivocal, Kurupt.

What is unequivocal in the least about a statement such as that. Please tell me the multiversal feat there? When you fall into a place you don't belong.. it wasn't up the entire multiverse.. not him using his power to mess up the multiverse. Two distinct things there omega.

No you're right, it wasn't any kind of distinct power beyond that of his own immense will.

He was falling so he grabbed the Multiverse by the balls and started to drag it down with him.

Yeah it was will feat but it also showed how far above most beings he is. I mean how many entities can drag the whole multiverse into an inescapable hell?

It was also confirmed in an interview with Morrison (reinforcing what has already been said here countless times) that DS was actively wrecking and retconning reality across the multiverse after he was poisoned with radion.

At that point his hold on the multiverse was fading and seeing his potential downfall he began screwing around with peoples realities across the cosmos.

All that insanity with the worlds especially in issue 7 was the result of that.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah it was will feat but it also showed how far above most beings he is. I mean how many entities can drag the whole multiverse into an inescapable hell?

It was also confirmed in an interview with Morrison (reinforcing what has already been said here countless times) that DS was actively wrecking and retconning reality across the multiverse after he was poisoned with radion.

At that point his hold on the multiverse was fading and seeing his potential downfall he began screwing around with peoples realities across the cosmos.

All that insanity with the worlds especially in issue 7 was the result of that.

Wonder Woman destroying her mask and then a few pages later having it hanging as a trophy? 😛

😛 Honestly I don't remember seeing Aquaman in FC, but it's been a while.
I think all this room for debate highlights the fact that the event needed an extra issue or two for breathing room. Too much to say in too few issues = lack of clarity.

Originally posted by Allankles
The war warped time and Space sending DS back through time in his fall. DS wrecked the Multiverse after he was poisoned with radion, as his way of spiting the multiverse.

It was already explained, that DS was retconning reality and drugging the Multiverse into a singularity that was in his body. Both within FC, and out of it via interviews. In fact Morrison categorically says that DS was retconning reality through issues 6 and 7 of FC.

Yeah agreed. 👆

Originally posted by Allankles
😛 Honestly I don't remember seeing Aquaman in FC, but it's been a while.
I think all this room for debate highlights the fact that the event needed an extra issue or two for breathing room. Too much to say in too few issues = lack of clarity.

That's one of the bad things about events in comics. The author tries to fill everything in a few issues, and sometimes interpretation gets wacky.

Also most people sometimes don't get the whole picture in the main events because they don't read the ties in.

In my opinion to truly understand Final Crisis, this needs to be read in this order.

1. DC Universe #0
2. DC Universe: Last Will & Testament
3. Final Crisis #1
4. Final Crisis #2
5. Final Crisis: Requim
6. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #1
7. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #2
8. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #3
9. Final Crisis #3
10. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #1
11. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #2
12. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #3
13. Final Crisis: Revelations #1
14. Final Crisis: Revelations #2
15. Final Crisis: Revelations #3
16. Final Crisis: Revelations #4
17. Final Crisis: Revelations #5
18. Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1
19. Final Crisis: Secret Files
20. Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #2
21. Final Crisis #4
22. Final Crisis: Submit
23. Final Crisis: Resist
24. Final Crisis #5
25. Final Crisis #6
26. Final Crisis #7
27. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4
28. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5

Didn't L3W happen before issues 6 and 7 of Final Crisis? I think you need to change it to

25. FC: L3W #4
26. FC: L3W #5
27. FC #6
28. FC #7

Also, didn't Secret Files happen way before any of the other ones?

Other than that, mad props. 👆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Didn't L3W happen before issues 6 and 7 of Final Crisis? I think you need to change it to

25. FC: L3W #4
26. FC: L3W #5
27. FC #6
28. FC #7

Also, didn't Secret Files happen way before any of the other ones?

Other than that, mad props. 👆

Really, it's been a while. That's why I'm re-reading everything that has to do with Final Crisis. Am currently re-reading Death Of The New Gods.

Here's the order Am going by.
Countdown To Final Crisis
Death of the New Gods
Faces Of Evil
Final Crisis
Final Crisis Aftermath
Origins & Omens
Rage.of.the.Red.Lanterns

I suggest not reading FC.

Originally posted by Mindset
I suggest not reading FC.

Originally posted by SquallX
Really, it's been a while. That's why I'm re-reading everything that has to do with Final Crisis. Am currently re-reading Death Of The New Gods.

Here's the order Am going by.
Countdown To Final Crisis
Death of the New Gods
Faces Of Evil
Final Crisis
Final Crisis Aftermath
Origins & Omens
Rage.of.the.Red.Lanterns

Ignore the first two. Countdown is almost completely irrelevant. And DOTNG was retconned.

Mindset: shut up. 🙄

I preferred dotng vastly to fc. Starlin really knows how to portray Darkseid imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I preferred dotng vastly to fc. Starlin really knows how to portray Darkseid imo.

You would like something that's written like a shitty marvel book, wouldn't you? 🙄

Starlin's a hack. And he might as well have spit on Jack Kirby's grave for what he wrote.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You would like something that's written like a shitty marvel book, wouldn't you? 🙄

Starlin's a hack. And he might as well have spit on Jack Kirby's grave for what he wrote.

I also loved the art of Darkseid, Orion, etc, in death.

Reading FC was like rubbing my wiener on a cheese grater.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman caves in Thanos's face.

Originally posted by Mindset
Reading FC was like rubbing my wiener on a cheese grater.

Originally posted by SquallX
That's one of the bad things about events in comics. The author tries to fill everything in a few issues, and sometimes interpretation gets wacky.

Also most people sometimes don't get the whole picture in the main events because they don't read the ties in.

In my opinion to truly understand Final Crisis, this needs to be read in this order.

1. DC Universe #0
2. DC Universe: Last Will & Testament
3. Final Crisis #1
4. Final Crisis #2
5. Final Crisis: Requim
6. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #1
7. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #2
8. Final Crisis: Rogue's Revenge #3
9. Final Crisis #3
10. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #1
11. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #2
12. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #3
13. Final Crisis: Revelations #1
14. Final Crisis: Revelations #2
15. Final Crisis: Revelations #3
16. Final Crisis: Revelations #4
17. Final Crisis: Revelations #5
18. Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1
19. Final Crisis: Secret Files
20. Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #2
21. Final Crisis #4
22. Final Crisis: Submit
23. Final Crisis: Resist
24. Final Crisis #5
25. Final Crisis #6
26. Final Crisis #7
27. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4
28. Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5

Is that official reading order? Based on what I remember that looks like the best order for reading the event. Although the criticism of the main title is that it was a few issues short, the tie ins were handled in a very neat and concise way, which is more than you can say for many tie ins in other events.