Originally posted by leonidasbut how long can thor cancel out juggernaut's ff? if its time limited, juggy is still superior imo
huh? how'd you figure that. thor cancelled his ff then beat the crap out of him. the only reason he didn't finish was because of the 60 blake spell.so, yeah--we'll disagree.
also, was thor actually hurting juggy? also, remember that juggernaut aint the brightest bulb, so he doesn't really tap into as much as cytorrak gives him as thor into odinforce
Vishanti are wary of Cyttorak
So Cyttorak is either equal or more powerful than Vishanti
1 member of Vishanti is Oshtur and Elder God
Elder Gods>Zeus
Also I found a quote by Tom Brevoort a Marvel editor
Someone asked how powerful is Cyttorak compared to Zom and Shuman Gorath
Brevoort replied basically abstract mystical beings complex but I would place him way above Zom and likely above Shuma as well depending on circumstance
Whether or not Cyttorak is indeed more powerful than Zom or Shuma is up for debate, but Cyttorak >>>>> Zeus without doubt
Originally posted by Starscream M
but how long can thor cancel out juggernaut's ff? if its time limited, juggy is still superior imoalso, was thor actually hurting juggy? also, remember that juggernaut aint the brightest bulb, so he doesn't really tap into as much as cytorrak gives him as thor into odinforce
how long? not sure, but again, the only reason the shield came up was because the hammer had to return or thor would revert to mortal. there was no reason to think he couldn't have cancelled it out for as long as he'd like. 😬
during their h2h battle, thor basically beat juggs down. i agree juggs doesn't tap into his previously shown exotic powers, but he almost NEVER does, so i don't think we can really bring that into play here.
i'm not even saying cyttorak ISN'T greater. just saying that he has no feats whatsoever to show that he IS. aside from some writer-speak, which is notoriously difficult to take as fact.
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
Vishanti are wary of Cyttorak
So Cyttorak is either equal or more powerful than Vishanti
1 member of Vishanti is Oshtur and Elder God
Elder Gods>Zeus
Also I found a quote by Tom Brevoort a Marvel editor
Someone asked how powerful is Cyttorak compared to Zom and Shuman Gorath
Brevoort replied basically abstract mystical beings complex but I would place him way above Zom and likely above Shuma as well depending on circumstanceWhether or not Cyttorak is indeed more powerful than Zom or Shuma is up for debate, but Cyttorak >>>>> Zeus without doubt
where was it shown the vishanti were 'wary' of cyttorak? not that it means much in terms of his relative power. we know she is likely below atum, and atum's recent depictions were less than impressive. 😬
on that point though--where exactly did the idea that the elder gods were much more powerful than the current skyfathers like odin come from? i know this is a long held belief, but where has this been proven to be the case? anyone?
Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL leonidas what amazing logicSo because Thor creates a field which cancels all magic for 60 seconds hes above Cyttorak now? Not to mention Juggernaut was still beating his ass in that duration of time.
lol sasuOna what amazing reading comp! 😱
first, thor didn't cancel anything--mjollnir did. what that DOES mean is that a small amount of odin's power (because odin only placed a small amount of power into the hammer) was enough to cancel out cyttorak's magic--possibly indefinitely.
and if you think juggs was beating thor during that time you REALLY have no clue what you're talking about. juggs pretty much was wtfstomped and was on the verge of being ko'd when his shield came back and saved his ruined ass. 😂
does that necessarily mean a skyfather>cyttorak? as i said, no. but it is one of the only bases of comparison we have so should be mentioned.
Originally posted by Blight
What Leo is trying to say is that per KMC rules there isn't enough evidence to make some bold claim about Cytorrak. At least I think that's what he's saying.
yep, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. and i'd love to see some further on-panel proof that makes everyone seem to feel that cyttorak and these other high-level mystics, are so far above skyfathers. not saying the proof doesn't exist, just that i'd like to see it.
Originally posted by leonidascurrent atum jobbed like hell, also the vishanti are as powerful as Eternity so they are far more powerful than atum,
where was it shown the vishanti were 'wary' of cyttorak? not that it means much in terms of his relative power. we know she is likely below atum, and atum's recent depictions were less than impressive. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
on that point though--where exactly did the idea that the elder gods were much more powerful than the current skyfathers like odin come from? i know this is a long held belief, but where has this been proven to be the case? anyone?
Set made a celestial tremble
chthon has the potential to warp the universe based on eternity, not to mention asgard itself was wiped from existance using a fraction of his power
gaea gave hercules his upgrade in chaos war
Originally posted by leonidas
where was it shown the vishanti were 'wary' of cyttorak? not that it means much in terms of his relative power. we know she is likely below atum, and atum's recent depictions were less than impressive. 😬on that point though--where exactly did the idea that the elder gods were much more powerful than the current skyfathers like odin come from? i know this is a long held belief, but where has this been proven to be the case? anyone?
where did the idea that skyfathers are so powerful come from? they have been the most overpowered characters in history of comics and as a knock on effect you end up with stories where true cosmic univesal powers like Galactus are treated like crap
Main reason Zeus and Odin are considered so much more powerul than Olympians and Asgardians is because they are skyFATHERS of their pantheons.
Gaea is mother GODDESS of all the pantheons by same logic.
If you say why Zeus and Odin not more powerful than Gaea. Then why can Thor or someone else not be more powerful than Odin and Zeus?
Originally posted by Utrigita
And Cyttorak have done .... what exactly?
What's your point? Even if he did nothing, Marvel hierarchy--word of God--puts him far Skyfather level. Brevoort puts him above Zom and even Shuma Gorath.
Broken the Shield of Seraphim spell--Classic Strange is completely powerless against him. The 616 is a lesser realm than his entire domain and he is unconcerned with anything that goes on there, including when Thanos had the IG.
Every Juggernaut feat is also a Cyttorak. Juggernaut with some time spent in the Crimson Cosmos was able to fight Nightmare evenly. How is Zeus going to even hurt Cyttorak when even Juggernaut couldn't be killed by being sent to Oblivion?
well, he did get beat up by juggernaut.....
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
current atum jobbed like hell, also the vishanti are as powerful as Eternity so they are far more powerful than atum,
bull.
crap.
Set made a celestial tremble
cool, but where?
chthon has the potential to warp the universe based on eternity, not to mention asgard itself was wiped from existance using a fraction of his power
again, cool, but where?
gaea gave hercules his upgrade in chaos war
hmm, now if that is true, THAT is your best point. but we still have no real idea how powerful gaea is in relation to cyttorak, so it's kinda meaningless.