Cyttorak Vs Zeus

Originally posted by SasuOna
Classic Strange surprised the LT thats not really a feat but considering in the same storyline the LT tried to kill Strange again and failed its more in line with him consistently defying him.

Classic Strange is most definitely above Zeus leonidas. Hes stronger then certain abstracts and can take the powers from Skyfathers. theres no reason to assume Zeus wouldn't get stomped just like all the other lords of chaos.

And Yes Juggernaut did stalemate Nightmare in his realm which would put Cttorak way above most abstracts

thing with strange is he was NOT consistently portrayed and his biggest feats come through prep--for the most part. i'll not debate strange here--who i love btw, and know very well--but would happily debate strange in a different thread. i know him well enough to say that he is certainly NOT above a skyfather.

re trion juggs-- i was wondering when that woul dbe brought up. i can say i don't really know him that well so if you want to mention some of his feats i'm willing to listen.

Omg...

The Cyttorak and Juggernaut fight wasnt physical at all, it was more of a mind link/will fight in which Juggernaut overcame. It had NOTHING to do with Juggernaut physically beating Cytorrak because Strange himself told Jugs that was impossible.

As for feats, Cytorrak doesn't even need it when all in all, he could just sit in a chair and use Jugs body and put avatars in it that mere punches was busting through reality out of thin air.

The main reason Cyttorak was trapped in the Gem from the beginning is due to the fact that he was a threat to the Universe. He reached the max limit for strength, he reach the max limit for durability, he truly became unstoppable. Nothing outside of trapping him in a gem was powerful enough to do any type of damage. He was the god of strength and durability, he reached its max... then his power source, his magic alone was overwhelming the gods that controlled each sector of the planet.

Zeus can't beat him... its debatable if Zeus could even beat an avatar of Cytorrak that was physically ripping through time and space at its weakest (a universal threat).

Originally posted by zopzop
BINGO!!!!!!!!

Marvel royally fxxked up with the whole "Skyfather" wanking. You are now stuck with competing creation stories each of them has to be reconciled with the others or it doesn't make any sense.

Odin claims to have created the Earth and the physical universe from Ymir's corpse. Big problem, Ymir's alive and the universe is older than either of them. Plus you got competing Skyfathers making the same claim!

Whoopsie!

Marvel almost saved itself with the whole Serpent Crown saga. The Demiurge creation story involving the Elder Gods (Set, Oshtur, Gaea, Chthon, etc) and then later the Primordial Gods (Crom, Bor, Ymir, Mitra, etc) and finally the "New" Gods (Odin, Zeus, Vishnu, etc...) actually sort of made some sense and put to rest the competing creation/origin stories.

But Marvel, being Marvel, fugged that up and now here we are.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Your confusing the myths with marvel. Big time.

Uhm that's from Marvel 🙄 Dont' even get me started on Surtur/Twilight, because that's even more absurd in Marvel's cosmology.

Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm that's from Marvel 🙄 Dont' even get me started on Surtur/Twilight, because that's even more absurd in Marvel's cosmology.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
No it you. In the last 2 years they should it wasn't Odin who created the Earth. but Bor, Odin created humans , Bor created the earth thorugh the egg he planted which is linked to Galactus some how."we will find out soon in the newarc being written. You just don't jack and like to flame skyfathers and etc.... Just b/c a character is on a different tier doesn't mean a lower Tier can't beat them as there is a wide branch of of power levels within a tier.

Thanks for proving my point for me! Competing creation stories from different pantheons and skyfathers!

How could Bor create the Earth when the Elder Gods, who were created by Demiurge didn't exist until AFTER the earth was formed? During that time there were NO other gods in existence. They came into life AFTER Demogorge/Atum seeded the planets biosphere with the essence of the fallen Elder Gods.

That's just one of the MANY competing stories. I'm sure Zeus and the Olympians have their own as well as Vishnu and the Vedic Gods.

All of them can't be right.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
If i remember correctily Jugs was given Cyttorak hell in his own realm and this is the only combat showing we have on Cyttorak. So Zeus should be able to give Cyttorak hell

That was a mere aspect of Cyttorak. He even states he allowed Juggernaut to punch him.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thanks for proving my point for me! Competing creation stories from different pantheons and skyfathers!

How could Bor create the Earth when the Elder Gods, who were created by Demiurge didn't exist until AFTER the earth was formed? During that time there were NO other gods in existence. They came into life AFTER Demogorge/Atum seeded the planets biosphere with the essence of the fallen Elder Gods.

That's just one of the MANY competing stories. I'm sure Zeus and the Olympians have their own as well as Vishnu and the Vedic Gods.

All of them can't be right.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
NO you still don't get it the latest version of how earth was created or the universe is the only one that counts.

what is the latest version?

I think the latest version is that Bor was one of the Elder Gods who created the universe. Odin did create humanity though IIRC

Originally posted by SasuOna
I think the latest version is that Bor was one of the Elder Gods who created the universe. Odin did create humanity though IIRC

In what way are Bor and Gaea connected in this story?

When it says universe are they talking about dimension of Asgard or the entire Earth 616 universe including LT, Phoenix and abstracts etc?

bor is an elder god?

What has cyttorak done that says he can beat zues?

Oh look.

Its BBZ regurgitating phrases and refrains of others he's read around the forum again.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
bor is an elder god?

Unless there's been a retcon he's a primal god like Mitra, Asura, Kali, Ymir, Crom, etc.... And he wasn't even a major one. The big four were : Crom, *Set, Mitra, Asura.

They came into being after the Elder Gods but before the New Gods (Odin, Zeus, Vishnu, etc...)

*The Elder God Set was active during the time of the primal gods.

I think Cyttorak did something once somewhere.

He wins!

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
In what way are Bor and Gaea connected in this story?

When it says universe are they talking about dimension of Asgard or the entire Earth 616 universe including LT, Phoenix and abstracts etc?

According to the latest Thor series, soon after creation came into being, Bor found the World Seed and planted it. This became the World Tree or the Cosmic Axis as it's otherwise known, which set the 9 worlds into place. Fraction has some interesting ideas but such terrible execution. I liked the bit about every world leading to it's own reality/Universe.

Using the latest Thor series, Odin also created man as well as the first vampire accidentally. Those were straight up memories. No vague myth like shit involved.

Out of curiosity, has any other pantheon claimed to have created man and/or Earth? Excluding the Elder God retcon during the Thomas era.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
According to the latest Thor series, soon after creation came into being, Bor found the World Seed and planted it. This became the World Tree or the Cosmic Axis as it's otherwise known, which set the 9 worlds into place. Fraction has some interesting ideas but such terrible execution. I liked the bit about every world leading to it's own reality/Universe.

Using the latest Thor series, Odin also created man as well as the first vampire accidentally. Those were straight up memories. No vague myth like shit involved.

Out of curiosity, has any other pantheon claimed to have created man and/or Earth? Excluding the Elder God retcon during the Thomas era.

Quick question, what year did this Bor as Creator God retcon take place in?

I'll have to look up the other pantheons and their creation stories in Marvel. This should be fun.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Using the latest Thor series, Odin also created man as well as the first vampire accidentally. Those were straight up memories. No vague myth like shit involved.

I thought Cthon created the vampire race back in Conan days.