Originally posted by Sin I AM
To state that Gladiator is not Superman's equal would show ignorance.
No, Glads lacks the feats that Supes has. Supes has a lot more better feats. Feats are feats, Supes average feats are much better than Glads average feats. Supes also operates on a higher level than Glads, when is the last uber feat that Glads has done? A long time ago. Supes consistently does high end feats. So who is bias? the Marvel fanboys are.
Originally posted by Decimus
superman is much faster than kallark and more powerful I'd say anyone of the random superman feats like the black hole containment and escape, maggedon wheel turning lifting the infinite paged book all place in well above gladiator.
HHhmm...
Gladiator was CLOCKED at 100 times the speed of light.
Originally posted by Decimus
let's assume they are not rational numbers since superman has long been portrayed as having no upper limit in abilities when it mattered so simply superman is as strong as he needs to be starsream
Hhhmmm,
Why did he need the aid of a GL to move a planet?
Why did it take the entire kryptonian race to put the moon back in orbit?
Why did it take Wondy, MM, and Supes to pull a moon?
Why did it take Wondy, Supes, and MM to move Earth?
Originally posted by carver9How many times has superman casually tossed planets... stop nitpicking when a character is known for his capability to shift planets.
Hhhmmm,Why did he need the aid of a GL to move a planet?
Why did it take the entire kryptonian race to put the moon back in orbit?
Why did it take Wondy, MM, and Supes to pull a moon?
Why did it take Wondy, Supes, and MM to move Earth?
Originally posted by Uriel005
Superman has crossed entire solar systems in time for a sneeze...
Hhhhmmm...
Interesting. The shiar is located on the other side of the universe and Gladiator made it to earth during mid sentence.
Space flight means crap. Doesn't hold weight imo. Combat wise... I think Supes AND Glads is above Surfer regarding combat speed but if we use space flight as any type of credibility, Thor, Supes, Flash, and Glads should be nothing but snails to Surfer.
Get out of here with that space flight crap. What environmental speed feats do you have? Gladiator has showing of moving his entire limbs at Hyper speed for hours.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Carv will do anything to down play DC and mainly Supes.
No I wouldn't. This goes for ALL characters. I'm not even talking about Supes during my discussion. This has NOTHING to do with him OR DC. No matter how fast Glads can cross space... he isn't blitzing Nova, Superman, Surfer, etc...
They can keep pace with him. Its just that simple. That's why you don't hear me screaming out speed blitz. It doesn't fit for certain characters.
No matter how fast Surfer can fly past a solar system or Galaxy... he isn't blitzing Supes and his combat speed isn't close to what Supes has shown.
ok it was never my intention to turn this into a Gladiator versus Superman thread, as the op states mutates. The argument originated from the assumption that Superman would curbstomp Black Bolt 10/10 which to me is inconceivable, since he reguarly operates at high herald level even though he's not in that class, sorta like Nova. I just used Gladiator as a gauge since he is high herald and they have similar powersets, although they are not (arguably) equal. Which is based solely off opinion and cant be judged correctly until Kallark has a greater catalogue of feats, since he feats would only fill a pamphlet unlike Clarks encyclopedia of accomplishments.
But alas, there will always be biased.......
Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok it was never my intention to turn this into a Gladiator versus Superman thread, as the op states mutates. The argument originated from the assumption that Superman would curbstomp Black Bolt 10/10 which to me is inconceivable, since he reguarly operates at high herald level even though he's not in that class, sorta like Nova.
But a bloodlusted Supes is higher than HH.