Originally posted by carver9
So why do I get pointed out when at least 4 people in here have called Superman a god and we have one guy saying that Superman has tossed planets but when I talk about Glads... sh** hits the fan.
Superman's not a god. At best, you could argue him being a Kryptonian demi-god and Rao's descendent, but that isn't mentioned a whole hell of a lot by DC and I've not heard of many writers entertaining it nowadays.
Shit hits the fan when you talk about Glads when you start highballing the holy hell out of him and trying to put him on a level that he really is not on while lowballing and ignoring other feats, usually out of ignorance (unmalicious, though).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman's not a god. At best, you could argue him being a Kryptonian demi-god and Rao's descendent, but that isn't mentioned a whole hell of a lot by DC and I've not heard of many writers entertaining it nowadays.Shit hits the fan when you talk about Glads when you start highballing the holy hell out of him and trying to put him on a level that he really is not on while lowballing and ignoring other feats, usually out of ignorance (unmalicious, though).
Give me one example of me lowballing anyone here.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And off topic to the lulz factor I briefly entertained...I will definitely say that current Thor hasn't been beastly in the way of current feats. My opinion is that Asgard - and Thor - are more grounded on Earth, which kind of restricts him from his top tier level of showings. If Astonishing Thor remains cosmic based, and if Fraction can do something worthy in Mighty Thor and Fear Itself, we'll probably see some more impressive stuff from him. All the stuff that made Classic Thor pretty epic doesn't happen as often in today's Marvel comics, imo.
true, midgard doesnt have the threats that thor needs to be addressing anyway, he should take a cue from beta ray and go cosmic for awhile
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
See Pr's last post.Most of the time, I don't think you do it to be an ass or anything, but you do it nonetheless.
But how is that lowballing when everything I said was basically true. My entire point for that post wasn't to lowball anyone... it was to prove that he nor Gladiator or Thor has unlimited strength.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I concede that he's better, but they are in the same class....youve got to atleast give me that 😛
At base levels, sure.
Originally posted by carver9
Huh?I wasn't lowballing, I was showing him that characters DOESN'T have unlimited strength. I already showed you feats. I also showed you him treating Heralds like children. What is it you are looking for?
you didn't show me feats that put him above Superman. You claim they exist, and that you're going to post them (yes, even after last time), but so far...
shrug
Originally posted by carver9
But how is that lowballing when everything I said was basically true. My entire point for that post wasn't to lowball anyone... it was to prove that he nor Gladiator or Thor has unlimited strength.
Gladiator got schooled by Cannonball.
See how it looks?
Originally posted by -Pr-
At base levels, sure.you didn't show me feats that put him above Superman. You claim they exist, and that you're going to post them (yes, even after last time), but so far...
shrug
Gladiator got schooled by Cannonball.
See how it looks?
Pr... I never said that Gladiator is above his tier. What I said was I would give him the majority against Supes and you disagreed. I can give reasons all day on why I would give him the majority.
Omg...
You are doing the opposite of what I claimed (by the way, Cannonball didn't own Gladiator, he got in one lick that entire fight). What I did was show that he doesn't have unlimited strength because he needed assitance (which there is nothing wrong with that) on certain feats. Kind of like Gladiator doesn't have unlimited strength because it took him 3 punches to destroy a planet and he strained to move a planetary size asteroid and he it took him some time to over power Masterson during an arm lock.
That was the only thing I was proving and showing... that no one mentioned in this thread has unlimited strength. You read my post kind of wrong Pr.
Originally posted by carver9
Pr... I never said that Gladiator is above his tier. What I said was I would give him the majority against Supes and you disagreed. I can give reasons all day on why I would give him the majority.Omg...
You are doing the opposite of what I claimed (by the way, Cannonball didn't own Gladiator, he got in one lick that entire fight). What I did was show that he doesn't have unlimited strength because he needed assitance (which there is nothing wrong with that) on certain feats. Kind of like Gladiator doesn't have unlimited strength because it took him 3 punches to destroy a planet and he strained to move a planetary size asteroid and he it took him some time to over power Masterson during an arm lock.
That was the only thing I was proving and showing... that no one mentioned in this thread has unlimited strength. You read my post kind of wrong Pr.
You claiming that he needed help, without proof, doesn't really hold up.
I know all about Gladiator and Cannonball. What I meant was:
When you say the things you say about Superman, you're basically doing the equivalent of me saying Cannonball beat Gladiator, or that Colossus stalemated him. It's the same thing.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is the same piss poor argument Carver has forwarded time and time again and has had defeated each time.Having less showings doesn't translate to having lower showings. It just translates to having less showings.
So yes more can equal greater. Thats why it is better to go for consistency when dealing with one character that has 100 appearances compared to another who in the thousands.
Though I would like to point out that I am no saying gladeator is supermans equal.
Originally posted by Omega VisionA whisper downing superman is silly.
I doubt BB's shield is superior to the shield that protected Darkseid's bunker in Final Crisis, the shield Superman one shotted.And a whisper isn't downing Superman, that's just silly.
But so is supes tanking a whisper.
I mean sentry was blown back a could hundred feet and knocked on his ass by a whisper. And sentry is arguably more powerful then supes(not that I feel he his)
Originally posted by Black bolt z
A whisper downing superman is silly.But so is supes tanking a whisper.
I mean sentry was blown back a could hundred feet and knocked on his ass by a whisper. And sentry is arguably more powerful then supes(not that I feel he his)
And getting pushed back but not being harmed significantly=tanking it.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI was under the impression that tanking is what juggernaut does on a day to day basis. Pretty much standing there and the attack doing jack crap to you.
Sentry's durability is incredibly variable.And getting pushed back but not being harmed significantly=tanking it.
At least thats what i think tanking means.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I was under the impression that tanking is what juggernaut does on a day to day basis. Pretty much standing there and the attack doing jack crap to you.At least thats what i think tanking means.
If I were to make a chart it'd go like this:
Laughing it off: the attack does jack shit
Shrugging it off: you might get jostled or show irritation or mild pain, but very little happens
Tanking it: you can get knocked back or down, maybe even cry out in pain, but you're fine.
Surviving it: you can get KOed or seriously hurt, but you survive.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThen by your definition yeah it'd be tanking it.
I call that "laughing it off"If I were to make a chart it'd go like this:
Laughing it off: the attack does jack shit
Shrugging it off: you might get jostled or show irritation or mild pain, but very little happens
Tanking it: you can get knocked back or down, maybe even cry out in pain, but you're fine.
Surviving it: you can get KOed or seriously hurt, but you survive.
I guess there is no set definition for tanking though...
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Then by your definition yeah it'd be tanking it.I guess there is no set definition for tanking though...
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Sentry's durability is incredibly variable.