Superman vs...............

Originally posted by Starscream M
like he's always does the right thing. he doesn't even try, he's just almost flawless.

you have to admit, cyke and superman have similar personalities. both are by the book do the right kinda thing leader types.

he tries to do the right thing, and he is far from flawless. he gets fired from the planet, shit from his wife on occasion, flak from the public because he doesn't do enough, flak from other heroes for trying to do too much.

the "idea" of superman is always going to be more wonderful than the man himself.

except that they're not really that similar. superman is the kind of person cyclops would like to be in terms of morals and self-belief, but they both have very different methods.

for example: cyclops is a drill seargent type of leader that's horrible with people. superman is the opposite.

also, not long ago cyclops set up black ops squads, and participated in the genocide of hundreds if not thousands of skrulls.

when was the last time you read an arc with either of these characters in them?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok we all know Supes is the man

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Is there any mutate that can match a bloodlusted Clarks level of strength, speed, and durability, barring powersets like telepathy, reality warping, and probability affecting...

please no PF Jean, Franklin Richards, Jaspers etc......

Originally posted by -Pr-
he tries to do the right thing, and he is far from flawless. he gets fired from the planet, shit from his wife on occasion, flak from the public because he doesn't do enough, flak from other heroes for trying to do too much.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Cyke ain't a do no-wrong kind of guy.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, but don't you see...those are not his flaws. they're the others around him, its lois inscecurities, perry's impatience, other heroes' lack of understanding that cause them to shit on superman.

you think Superman doesn't have flaws? Insecurities? Are you serious? There have been entire arcs focusing on the negative parts of his personality.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
See I can't make up my mind if dropping Jean for Emma was an upgrade or downgrade...they both have their big faults. mhmm

Upgrade definitely. Jean was a cow. Emma actually treats him right. Well, most of the time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you think Superman doesn't have flaws?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you think Superman doesn't have flaws? Insecurities? Are you serious? There have been entire arcs focusing on the negative parts of his personality.

Upgrade definitely. Jean was a cow. Emma actually treats him right. Well, most of the time.

Emma looks like the dominatrix style while Jean is probably into sadistic shit...hmmm

Originally posted by Starscream M
what are his flaws? tell me

His insecurities about his marriage, his work as Superman, his place in the world.

His alienation, and his neediness when it comes to being accepted by humanity.

Is that enough?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It says something powerful if becoming Emma Frost's boytoy is a relationship upgrade on anything but a physical level.

boytoy is hardly accurate, imo. amusing, sure, but she's more emotionally capable of relating to him than jean was when they were married, imo. they do seem to have a more active sex life, so the boy toy thing does come in to it, i suppose, but emma has more than once shown that when the chips are down, she's loyal to him and trusts him to be in charge.

and no, i don't mean in bed. though that's probably true too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
His insecurities about his marriage, his work as Superman, his place in the world.

His alienation, and his neediness when it comes to being accepted by humanity.

Is that enough?

he's already done so much, yet he's still concerned he's not doing more

he's saved lois and treats her so nice, yet still is concerned about their relationship

he's a god to humanity, yet he seeks to avoid being placed on a pedestal

how are any of those flaws?

they just highlight how selfless and kind he really is

Originally posted by Starscream M
its hard for me to label any of those flaws...rather it just shows how goody goody he is

he's already done so much, yet he's still concerned he's not doing more

he's saved lois and treats her so nice, yet still is concerned about their relationship

he's a god to humanity, yet he seeks to avoid being placed on a pedestal

how are any of those flaws?

they just highlight how selfless and kind he really is

actually no, you just mislabelled every single point i made.

Originally posted by -Pr-
actually no, you just mislabelled every single point i made.

ok, pick the one flaw you consider biggest for superman...what would it be in your opinion?

Give us an actual character flaw Pr. Not struggles he faces. Having struggles builds good character.

His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does? I'd say always having to watch everything you do is a character flaw. He doesn't relax, he can't afford to. Not when someone needs saving. He blames himself not being able to save them, "because he can hear them. All of them."

They are thinking about flaws like Tony Stark's alcoholism...I think

Originally posted by Starscream M
its not charm, its that they're good looking

if superman or james bond were short balding guys, they wouldn't get those girls

Don't matter if his bald, and short. All he has to do is flex his muscle. pick up a truck and say i'am Superman, and the females would still jump on his Man Of Steels.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does?."

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
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edit: cheeky guy...you edited.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does? I'd say always having to watch everything you do is a character flaw. He doesn't relax, he can't afford to. Not when someone needs saving. He blames himself not being able to save them, "because he can hear them. All of them."

Everyone has rage. Superman does an excellent job of holding it back, more so than pretty much anyone else. This is not a character flaw. This is something that once again reaffirms how great superman is. How considerate and thoughtful a guy Superman is. How he has such willpower to hold back his rage. "Oh I'm so powerful, I must be careful".

I love Superman, but you guys aren't doing a good job of convincing anyone that his personality is the interesting part of him. I read his books because of his established history, his background story, his powerset, his ability to kick ass. Not because I find his personal inner struggles interesting.