Originally posted by 753
well, he is morally ambiguous and flawed, but he has done a lot of good too
However he is pretty bad man at the same time. He be my vote for biggest dick out of any hero.
I remember when first the reconnt came out that made him an ass hole, but then I realized this has been in the making a long time. he been doing some iffy shit for years in comics and it was kinda cool to watch it all fall into place to reveal he was kinda an evil mastermind for the force of good.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ozy?
Come to think of it...discounting villains the Comedian may well be a contender for biggest dick in comics.
And while we're on Alan Moore characters: John Constantine. At his core he's heroic, but surrounding that heroic core is a hard candy shell of douchebaggery.
you mean the comedian wasnt a villain?
I cant really use the term dick to describe ozzie his attitude was actually pretty humble all things considered. the way he killed his vietnamese assistants in that garden was grade A douchebaggery though, specially considering he would allow sally and owl to live knowing the truth.
Originally posted by 753
you mean the comedian wasnt a villain?I cant really use the term dick to describe ozzie his attitude was actually pretty humble all things considered. the way he killed his vietnamese assistants in that garden was grade A douchebaggery though, specially considering he would allow sally and owl to live knowing the truth.
He's my favorite nihilist character.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well for one thing everything Joker did was pretty much undone by Mxy at the end of the story.
Thats not a good argument a terrorist steals a nuke but you manage to stop him and hes still at large. Just because you stopped him doesn't mean hes not a threat
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not to mention it couldn't have happened without fantastical circumstances.
Apparently Joker stole the worlogog.....
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No he can't, not unless Mxy or some other ultra powerful being acts stupid again and gives Joker powers.Besides that's a big hypothetical.
Maybe if you're refering to the whole universe but not the whole planet.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
😬You'd have a point, except I don't see how giving out a cancer cure can have disastrous consequences. Wakanda isn't under some Cosmic Prime Directive, there's a difference between interfering and helping, it's not always a well defined one, but it is there.
Thats what The Watchers thought the races they gave their tech to used their tech to kill each other. In fact if BP did give out the cure to cancer somebody would try to use it as a biological weapon.
In fact the more tech he would give out to the world the more they would abuse it. Hmm in fact when you think of it it's not as bad as it seems.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And besides there's the fact that Black Panther was BOASTING about not sharing his cancer cure. That goes beyond mere selfishness into the territory of outright assholery.
Even if he did make that statement thats Hudlin thats not how BP consistently behaves. Hudlin made Cap act like a dick as well so should we put Cap on the list?
Originally posted by 753
how is curing cancer interfering with another people's right to self-determiantion? how is it gonna destabilize the world? all he'd need to do is transfer the knowledge and technology to other governments and NGOs.
See what I said above. The Watchers thought that as well look what happened to them, thats why they don't interefere.
If we're counting villains, Darkseid of course deserves to be in the discussion.
But personally, I'd add in Max Lord. Not only does he kill Ted Grant, he destroys Wondy's rep, and to top it all, HE CAME BACK TO LIVE AGAIN. And somehow manages to mindwipe everyone except JLI members into forgetting him.
Originally posted by Deadline
Thats not a good argument a terrorist steals a nuke but you manage to stop him and hes still at large. Just because you stopped him doesn't mean hes not a threatApparently Joker stole the worlogog.....
Maybe if you're refering to the whole universe but not the whole planet.
Thats what The Watchers thought the races they gave their tech to used their tech to kill each other. In fact if BP did give out the cure to cancer somebody would try to use it as a biological weapon.
In fact the more tech he would give out to the world the more they would abuse it. Hmm in fact when you think of it it's not as bad as it seems.
Even if he did make that statement thats Hudlin thats not how BP consistently behaves. Hudlin made Cap act like a dick as well so should we put Cap on the list?
See what I said above. The Watchers thought that as well look what happened to them, thats why they don't interefere.
Besides, as it stands the Joker's real (read, not undone as with EJ) deathcount is INCREDIBLY lower than the amount of people BP could save by not being a dick.
Yeah, I'm sure Panther was thinking about people turning a cancer cure into a WMD when he boasted about not sharing it.
As I recall, his reason for not sharing it (or any of Wakanda's advanced tech, rare resources, and such) was that he believed that those foreigners who came asking for them didn't show the "proper respect", which is strange considering as I recall they were very respectful (to the point of kissing BP's ass) and offered him blank checks. He refused them and laughed.
Except Hudlin has retconned a lot of BP's history and basically turned BP into his pet char. Hudlin ruins a lot of characters' personalities, but Black Panther he's actually made a new standard personality for.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
How is that at all the same? Joker getting the Worgolog or getting Mxy's power is A LOT less repeatable than a terrorist getting another ex-Soviet warhead or whatever.
You said him getting Mxys powers was a one-off it wasn't ie hes been a universal threat twice. He could also be a global threat ie destroy the planet thats not hypothetical.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Besides, as it stands the Joker's real (read, not undone as with EJ) deathcount is INCREDIBLY lower than the amount of people BP could save by not being a dick.Yeah, I'm sure Panther was thinking about people turning a cancer cure into a WMD when he boasted about not sharing it.
As I recall, his reason for not sharing it (or any of Wakanda's advanced tech, rare resources, and such) was that he believed that those foreigners who came asking for them didn't show the "proper respect", which is strange considering as I recall they were very respectful (to the point of kissing BP's ass) and offered him blank checks. He refused them and laughed.
Except Hudlin has retconned a lot of BP's history and basically turned BP into his pet char. Hudlin ruins a lot of characters' personalities, but Black Panther he's actually made a new standard personality for.
Not sure what you're point is but you don't seem to be denying that Hudlin wrote it. Hudlin made BP act out of character, I think we go by average showings.
I guess theres no point in asking for scans because I can see Hudlin writing that.
Originally posted by DeadlineYou're placing the responsibility on Batman to end somebody's life. Not doing so doesn't make him a dick.
You said him getting Mxys powers was a one-off it wasn't ie hes been a universal threat twice. He could also be a global threat ie destroy the planet thats not hypothetical.Not sure what you're point is but you don't seem to be denying that Hudlin wrote it. Hudlin made BP act out of character, I think we go by average showings.
I guess theres no point in asking for scans because I can see Hudlin writing that.
The same can't be said about Black Panther simply not sharing a cure for a disease.
Originally posted by Existere
You're placing the responsibility on Batman to end somebody's life. Not doing so doesn't make him a dick.The same can't be said about Black Panther simply not sharing a cure for a disease.
Um you're trying to split hairs the reason why they're both responsible is because they both have the power to do it. Please try and explain how they're different, you haven't given a logical reason your just stating your opinion and anyone can do that.
Oh and another thing when Batman is willing to kill other humanoids and stop people that might kill The Joker that sure as hell makes him responsible and a hypocrite.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Exactly.
The world is flat, exactly.
Originally posted by Deadlinethis justification is BS:
Thats what The Watchers thought the races they gave their tech to used their tech to kill each other. In fact if BP did give out the cure to cancer somebody would try to use it as a biological weapon.See what I said above. The Watchers thought that as well look what happened to them, thats why they don't interefere.
2. by that logic, if you give starving people food, they'll have the strengh to commit atrocities, which some of them will, so you shouldn't do it
3. a biological weapon out of the cure for cancer? and that's why he doesnt share it? c'mon
Originally posted by 753
this justification is BS:
1. the watcher thing is retarded and was only written to justify their non-interventionism
But stuff like that can and would happen. Yea giving people nuclear tech and them turning into weapons is unrealistic.
Originally posted by 753
2. by that logic, if you give starving people food, they'll have the strengh to commit atrocities, whcih some of them will, so you shouldn't do it
Am I talking about starving people. Oh and if he really wants to help starving people he might have to topple their leaders, what you thinks going to happen next?
Originally posted by 753
3. a biological weapon out of the cure for cancer? and that's why he doesnt share it? c'mon
Again the idea that that could happen is realistic people do shit like that in the real world, so to then argue it's unrealistic is faulty.
Realistically the more Wakanda intervenes in other peoples affairs the more beef its going to get. However I think it should be done you just have to be careful but it's not that bad reasoning.