Originally posted by leonidas
your "argument" is nonsensical. you're asking the wrong thing, looking for the wrong thing. a plank unit is a measure of DISTANCE, not speed. the plank length is ALSO a measure of distance. there is no 'entering it'. there is no "covering the ground in plank units". ANY distance can be measured in "plank units", like a parsec can be measured in micrometers. you'd just need a lot of them. think of wally as a photon. it is the fastest measurable speed in the universe--LIGHT. but light is nothing compared to wally and others.so you want.... quantifable speed feats from flash? there is of course the time he cleared the people from the explosion and he was moving several 100s/1000s of times>c
A wise friend confirmed the following.
Planck units are units just like any other so if you can measure a distance and a time you could use Planck units with it.
lp is just ~1.6e-35 meters
tp is just ~5.4e-44 seconds
I assure that if we quantify the distance covered in Planck Units (measured in Planck Seconds), which we know the value of, it destroys any quantifiable speed feat the Flash has amassed to this date.
My argument is that, if any single character is truly operating on Planck Time, they are moving in far accesses c. We are talking about such a ridiculous number, that it shames any quantifiable feat Wally has produced to this very date.
If you can not understand following, than there is no point for us to continue this debate.
Originally posted by leonidas
there is this which is NOT quantifiable:http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/blackflash15.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/blackflash16.jpg
literally racing to the END OF TIME. "plank time" has no meaning here. why? BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON THE SPEED OF LIGHT. it breaks down. this speed feat is UNQUANTIFIABLE, as is ANYTHING suprpassing light, and thus surpassing "plank time". you would ned to prove (if nate is within this time frame) how much FASTER THEN LIGHT is he? but that doesn't work, it's not how his powers work. his are perceptual, imo, as opposed to motion-based. he can see multiple timelines--past and present. wally can do the exact same thing. while racing black flash he saw himself in the past and future than went so far past that he reached the END OF TIME. to me, that indicates his speed and ability to perceive things>nates who could only see a limited amount of time into the future or past.
whether plank time is measured over a tony distance, or a galactic distance matters not at all. ANYONE travelling>c can cover the distance (whatever you want it to be) FASTER THAN A PHOTON CAN.
honestly, not sure how it could be any clearer. you can simply say--BOTH must exist WITHIN plank time, but since there is no way to quantify it, we simply can't say which is...... "faster" (for lack of a better term), but it is clear that exceeding c means you leave physical laws behind.
Yet, entering the Planck time, allows Nate step outside of time, and accesses to the entire 616 time stream. All its dimensions, all its divergent timelines. So its safe to say that the comic added its own pseudo elements, we‘ve left physical laws behind the moment Marvel produced this scene. You will agree with me, that we cannot except just the face value of what DC has brought in, to be fair both need to be under our consideration.
Leo your confused. The photon is only being used as a constant (c^-3) to produce a mathematical formula. In reality, if you are covering grounds in Planck Units, your going astronomically above the speed of light.
You cant say X-Man’s ability is entirely perceptual, if he can physically move into the Planck Length. If the fight took place in the Planck Length, this lets us know that X-Man is operating on a different time-scale.
Seriously I find Nate’s ability to effortlessly see the entire timeline, and at will walk-through it more impressive than Wally pushing himself to attain infinite speed, and attain similar results.
