Originally posted by OneDumbG0D’OH! Sweet.
Eden makes mention of four-dimensional space, length, width, height, and (presumably) time when Ares busts through his portal: The look on Eden's face is priceless.
If we gather every thing we know about the Pantheon Gods, than Thor’s reference about his divinity can be applied to Ares as well right?
Well Ares used his Axe to weave through time/space. Yet Thor applied his own craft, with out the use of his mallet. The way Thor, and X-Man descried its transcended divinity, implies their very being should be capable to weave through time/space. To which Ares should be equally capable off, with out the use of his Axe.
That’s why I am holding onto Thor’s comments, and actions.
^ His axe's magical characteristics (if any) haven't, to my knowledge, ever been pointed to as the source of his feats.
For me, boiled down, Ares has demonstrated the ability to perceive/fight people hiding in between moments in time and can transcend four dimensional apertures.
Thor's comments/actions concerning his divinity do support that. I just happen to think Ares' feats/nature stand on their own.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Zoom can see and displace himself within time (and operate within it), and he still contends with Flash's motion-based speed?
zoom's powers are.... odd. clearly his ARE motion-based--or he uses his time-based powers to enhance his perceived motion. it doesn't seem to me nate does the same. you think ares could step into zoom's timeframe?
their powers seems quite a bit different to me.
Originally posted by leonidas
zoom's powers are.... odd. clearly his ARE motion-based--or he uses his time-based powers to enhance his perceived motion. it doesn't seem to me nate does the same. you think ares could step into zoom's timeframe?their powers seems quite a bit different to me.
Considering what we know of Ares, why couldn't he step into Zoom's timeframe?
Originally posted by leonidasWhat we perceive as Zoom's accelerated speed appears to be him just operating within or between moments of time, whereas everyone else operates along moments of time or during moments of time.
zoom's powers are.... odd. clearly his ARE motion-based--or he uses his time-based powers to enhance his perceived motion. it doesn't seem to me nate does the same. you think ares could step into zoom's timeframe?their powers seems quite a bit different to me.
That seems to be what Nate did, and what Ares' godliness negated (the excuse being, he exists in all timeframes simultaneously as the very concept of war personified).
Nate hasn't used these powers often enough for there to be a concrete comparison, but they look analogous. To me anyway.
Originally posted by "Id"
Considering what we know of Ares, why couldn't he step into Zoom's timeframe?
i'm not sure he couldn't. to me, (and ares it seemed) nate was 'hiding' within time as opposed to moving through it, as zoom seems to do. ares was able to find and see him because nate was essentially 'standing still' outside of time. zoom doesn't do that. can you actually see ares walking up to zoom and grabbing him??
odg may be right--at the heart of it, the powers may be similar, i really don't know since we haven't seen enough of nate's power (which is why saying he can keep up with flash seems like a real stretch to me) to really gauge how it would go. 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
Well, if Ares can actually enter any timestream, then yes.
really? hmm, maybe, but i have a hard time imagining that.... zoom's seems pretty....personal? portable??? not sure. again, maybe he could, but, while the powers of nate and zoom SEEM comparable, their effects seem to be different to me. though, tbh, i can't really articulate WHY they should be. 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
Zoom would have normal human speed within his personal bubble.If Ares can enter it at will, he'd have every physical advantage.
yeah, i get that. what i DON'T see happening is ares being ABLE to step into his personal timeframe. i confess to not really having a reason WHY he couldn't. just..... doesn't seem like he'd be able to. 😮
(man, i wish rage was here to hold me......)
Originally posted by "Id"
Nate does have super speed, but the argument emerged that he can operate on a different timeframe akin to that of Zoom (H. Zolomon).I’ve been giving that some thought, it seems to be a plot device….or not. In any case its just Marvel being Lazy. Marvel writers never took the time to expand on Ares divinity, the way it was explained for Thor. But the following might gives us a clue, since Thor explained his transcendence speaking in general.
Yet I am also a God, and thus my nature is not bound by the mere Perceptible. My divinity transcends Dimensions, and so might my corporal form. - [b]Thor
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorImmortal1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorImmortal2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorImmortal3.jpgI cant find anything to counter you. Your war personified in every plane, in every future too. X-Man
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3315/darkxmen003012.jpg [/B]
I have to say that supports the argument that Thor or Odin can react to FTL speed.
