CHARACTER RULING THREAD - Suggestions

Originally posted by carver9
We need to make a tier thread basically showing speed... how fast a character can fight, how durable a person is, etc, etc...

That would eliminate a lot of confusion and would be a focul point on where we can guide someone with questions on how fast, strong this person is. Then some people see feats kind of different and if the majority see a certain feat in a certain fashion then it should hold credit.

This is all on where it comes down to. We need to follow the 3 time rule. Provide evidence that Glads can fight at light and if its a character without much history then 1 time should be enough.

People should know the characters they debate.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't really have many suggestions or input aside from one, really.

It's come to my attention that certain characters, say, World War Hulk, when they are used in threads, have a great deal of feats they accomplished as a weaker incarnation, such as Savage Hulk, rendered null and void as "WWH wasn't as impressive as x feat Savage Hulk performed, therefore he's weaker" when it's clear that based on dialogue, statements from people who would know, and overall common sense that WWH - and WBH - are > stronger than your typical Hulk.

I would think that specific incarnations of characters, especially at a different power level than the norm, should still be able to access feats and abilities shown from their clearly shown/depicted to be weaker "forms" unless there's a specific reason said feat couldn't be replicated.

Also, maybe some threads could be more specific from time to time.

For instance--cbr--powerset and highest feats is all that matters.

herochat--how they appear in the comics.

kmc--somewhere in the middle.

But that aside I like people being able to make different kinds of arguments because if we stick to any set of rules to tightly that will eliminate and cut back on debate.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't really have many suggestions or input aside from one, really.

It's come to my attention that certain characters, say, World War Hulk, when they are used in threads, have a great deal of feats they accomplished as a weaker incarnation, such as Savage Hulk, rendered null and void as "WWH wasn't as impressive as x feat Savage Hulk performed, therefore he's weaker" when it's clear that based on dialogue, statements from people who would know, and overall common sense that WWH - and WBH - are > stronger than your typical Hulk.

I would think that specific incarnations of characters, especially at a different power level than the norm, should still be able to access feats and abilities shown from their clearly shown/depicted to be weaker "forms" unless there's a specific reason said feat couldn't be replicated.

While I understand that WWH would look superior to Savage Hulk in a fist fight, because of Hulk's dynamic strength levels it becomes a little tricky to define any one Hulk as definitely superior to another.

I would argue that while WWH's "base" strength level was shown to be typically superior to that of Savage Hulks, the latter had feats beyond his base that are superior to WWH's base... when Savage Hulk was pulling off his more ridiculous feats, he didn't get a new Hulk title, but he was clearly a different beast from the Hulk that started out the fight, right? I wouldn't say that WWH at base appeared to be stronger than some of Savage Hulks more ridiculous feats, but that he was certainly stronger on average than Savage.

Maybe this is all trivial, but it feels like the Hulks are on too much of a sliding scale to apply a definite order without wiggle room.

Ban Thanos from all vs threads

Originally posted by Existere
I dunno, that sounds a little odd to me.

While I understand that WWH would look superior to Savage Hulk in a fist fight, because of Hulk's dynamic strength levels it becomes a little tricky to define any one Hulk as definitely superior to another.

I would argue that while WWH's "base" strength level was shown to be typically superior to that of Savage Hulks, the latter had feats beyond his base that are superior to WWH's base... when Savage Hulk was pulling off his more ridiculous feats, he didn't get a new Hulk title, but he was clearly a different beast from the Hulk that started out the fight, right? I wouldn't say that WWH at base appeared to be stronger than some of Savage Hulks more ridiculous feats, but that he was certainly stronger on average than Savage.

Maybe this is all trivial, but it feels like the Hulks are on too much of a sliding scale to apply a definite order without wiggle room.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you then feel the ww hulk quickly can access that savage hulk level strength during a fight then ?

Originally posted by Existere
Certainly quicker than base Savage Hulk could, yes. If that makes sense...

Originally posted by quanchi112
It does make sense since his base level is higher.

I think we're on the same page though.

I think we're gonna get rid of the whole "base" level thing for Hulk. It really is never shown and goes against the full capacity rule already in place. durhulk

And Carver, I was joking about staying out of this thread...for now. biscuits

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we need some kind of ruling on folks giving characters upgrades that dont exist.

Originally posted by chomperx9
we need some kind of ruling on folks giving characters upgrades that dont exist.

We already do. You get banned for it eventually.

Is there a similar rule for threads concerning nerfed characters?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Is there a similar rule for threads concerning nerfed characters?

this thread, and the reemphasizing of the CIP rule, is hopefully going to do a great deal toward minimizing that exact thing.

Unless you mean something else rather than lowballing?

I think it should be made clear to people that Insane Genis is fundamentally no different than any Genis afterwards with the "full capacity" rule applied. I see a lot of people trying to classify this division which actually doesn't exist.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We already do. You get banned for it eventually.

Originally posted by -Pr-
this thread, and the reemphasizing of the CIP rule, is hopefully going to do a great deal toward minimizing that exact thing.

Unless you mean something else rather than lowballing?

Ok, cool. And yeah, lowballing in general needs to stop. Marvel, DC, etc, it doesn't matter.

But I was talking about the opposite side of the spectrum in which Chomper asked. If there's a rule against making too many threads giving characters amps/upgrades/equipment/powers/etc they don't normally have, is there a similar one against making threads where said things are removed from a character? Ie, putting Superman in a match and removing his flight and speed, Thor without Mjolnir and his god powers, etc?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think it should be made clear to people that Insane Genis is fundamentally no different than any Genis afterwards with the "full capacity" rule applied. I see a lot of people trying to classify this division which actually doesn't exist.

See, I'd disagree with you on that, so I'd have to talk to Badabing and see what he thinks.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ok, cool. And yeah, lowballing in general needs to stop. Marvel, DC, etc, it doesn't matter.

But I was talking about the opposite side of the spectrum in which Chomper asked. If there's a rule against making too many threads giving characters amps/upgrades/equipment/powers/etc they don't normally have, is there a similar one against making threads where said things are removed from a character? Ie, putting Superman in a match and removing his flight and speed, Thor without Mjolnir and his god powers, etc?

Oh... Well, tbh, I've never really seen those as anything other than novelty threads. If people are that annoyed by it, I suppose we could give it a look.

I'm not annoyed with it, I was just curious if there was a ruling already made for the other side of the spectrum. Though, it does become clear when some threads are made from novelty and others are designed for baiting or for the OP to try and prove some kind of point about the characters involved.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think it should be made clear to people that Insane Genis is fundamentally no different than any Genis afterwards with the "full capacity" rule applied. I see a lot of people trying to classify this division which actually doesn't exist.

I've heard the same argument made about Martian Manhunter/Fernus.

I don't personally agree with either.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not annoyed with it, I was just curious if there was a ruling already made for the other side of the spectrum. Though, it does become clear when some threads are made from novelty and others are designed for baiting or for the OP to try and prove some kind of point about the characters involved.

Ah. I don't think there is a ruling on it, but if it is a bait thread, then I have no problem closing them assuming they're reported or I see them. That's why people reporting infractions is key...